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    06-22-2011, 04:26 PM
    (06-22-2011, 02:50 PM)Richard Wrote: But you are applying a couple of personal instances like a giant paintbrush, Monica.

    If I had said that everyone should do exactly as I did, that might be true. But I said no such thing. I offered my own experience to illustrate a point.

    Here's another example:

    I had the fortune of meeting John Robbins, heir to the Baskin-Robbins fortune and author of several books on the meat industry.

    John's dad (or maybe it was grandfather, not sure) had a heart attack, and he began to question if maybe all that ice cream and heavy meat diet had something to do with it. Another family member told him, "No, John, his ticker just stopped." He didn't buy it.

    John walked away from his family fortune and wrote several books, started doing seminars, etc. to educate people about how animal-based diets are destroying their health and the planet.

    He took that catalyst and did something about it.

    Now, we don't know all the details. He probably still had a safety net; ie. could have returned to his family when times got rough. Still, I greatly admire what he did. He did what he could, given his experiences and circumstances. And he has helped a lot of people.

    How many other people would have just stayed in the business, because of greed? How many heirs to other harmful corporations, like McDonalds etc., continue to collect their profits, knowing that it's essentially blood money?

    (06-22-2011, 02:50 PM)Richard Wrote: I don't know the answers...but I know enough that its not my place to judge anothers path. Or why they are in the situation that they are. Perhaps they have something to learn working there? Perhaps they have to come to decision to do something else with their lives..like you did? Would you deny them that experience and / or catalyst?

    I don't understand your point, Richard. I offered my own experience as an example to illustrate precisely the point you seem to be arguing for: That we really can't judge the individual people working for STS-oriented corporations. I also stated that such situations are catalyst.

    (06-22-2011, 02:50 PM)Richard Wrote: If the existence of one (or more) STS corporate entity provides the catalyst for a few to awaken..is it a good thing? Or a bad thing?

    Understanding that it's catalyst doesn't mean we just go along with it. Once we are aware that we're contributing to STS actions, we have a responsibility to do what we can to minimize our contribution to the STS agenda. That doesn't mean we let our children starve! Our first responsibility is to our families, for we have a contract with them far more sacred than any contract with any employer.

    I'm not sure how much more clear I can be, after using my own case as an example. My point was that most of those STS corporations employ thousands of people like me - people who are basically good and wouldn't knowingly contribute to the actions their employers are engaged in.

    But, once we awaken, we begin to realize that we are conscious beings and have the power, to some extent, to shape our reality. I say "to some extent" because we're all trapped here in 3D, and subject to consensual reality. But, at the same time, we can begin to make different choices, and manifest different realities.

    So, I wouldn't judge the hard-working mother who is struggling to support her family. I wouldn't expect her to just quit her job, and allow her children to suffer, especially when her losing her job accomplished nothing. But, I would hope that she would begin to consciously work towards a different livelihood, that is in alignment with her highest principles. Everyone CAN do this. Maybe not overnight. But they CAN do it.

    (06-22-2011, 02:50 PM)Richard Wrote: To each their own, I guess. I won't judge another by their choices in life. They probably made them for many reasons they are aware of...and for some they aren't aware of. As all of us do.

    Like abridgetoofar, I too am wondering whether you read all of our posts. I invite you to re-read posts # 64,66,68 and 73.

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    Fukusjima - by unity100 - 06-16-2011, 07:19 PM
    RE: Fukusjima - by 3DMonkey - 06-16-2011, 07:24 PM
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    RE: Fukusjima - by unity100 - 06-18-2011, 08:17 PM
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    RE: Fukusjima - by Richard - 06-22-2011, 02:50 PM
    RE: Fukusjima - by Monica - 06-22-2011, 04:26 PM
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    RE: Fukusjima - by Monica - 06-22-2011, 06:27 PM
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    RE: Fukusjima - by Monica - 06-22-2011, 07:14 PM
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