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    Thread: Safe Places?


    Ali Quadir (Offline)

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    08-13-2009, 05:45 AM
    Hey thr33tim3,
    I realize I'm putting strong ideas forward here, you should know they're my ideas and I share them as such. Be like "a jewel thief with small pockets", take only what you really like.

    (08-12-2009, 01:39 PM)thr33tim3 Wrote: I get your position, but I don't think this is a valid comparison. In the comparison you have given, OF COURSE you have a choice to either jump in the ditch or not. I do not feel this applies to the situation we are in now, unless you mean some sort of metaphor where "jumping in the ditch" is equivalent to "focusing on negativity" and "not jumping" is to "focus on positivity".
    No it's really no metaphor. Either do or do not. The choice is ours.

    Quote:I would put it to you that the Orion empire has constructed a situation that is more similar to being born on the side of a steep hill, with a ditch at the bottom. The natural inclination would cause one to slide straight into the ditch, where the Orion empire wants us.
    True, but you're also born with wings. So the orion empire can jump high or low, but as soon as you flap those babies you're out of there and they can keep rubbing the ground with their bellies.

    Quote:Only through a tremendous amount of struggle and Will can we slowly scramble up the hill, towards the Light.
    This is their hill. They told you it is impossible for you not to slide into the ditch. They hinted that maybe maybe with incredible force of will and personal power you could crawl up that hill and out of there. Something surely reserved for the elite, not for the rest of us doomed to suffer and bleed under their might.

    But screw em. They'll never tell you those stubs on your back are wings. You either believe them on their "We're almighty" word or you do not.

    Quote:I do not even think that anyone on this forum could point to themselves and say that their struggle is over. So, the way you respond is a choice, yes, but the situation that we are in involves a huge amount of coercion and deception, and none of the "rules" are so clear-cut that you can simply compare them to choosing to jump in a ditch or not.

    If there is only one here then I'm that one. My struggle is over. It's been over since 1995. I've been on holiday ever since. Has everything been fun since? No, but it's all been my choice. And I'm not blaming reptiles for a failed love affair or two. And I'm not blaming them for me living in a small house instead of a palace. I'm not blaming them for the ignorance of my people. I've taken responsibility for my position. I came here on my own free will and no matter who else is involved in the game. I chose my last breath long ago. And the universe will conspire to bring this breath to me when the time comes.


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    (08-12-2009, 06:46 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: It makes no sense to blame a far away galaxy for some injustice on earth when that injustice on earth even if motivated by this remote galaxy is kept going here, by us. Without our support it'd die out in a heart beat. Who is more to blame? Them or us?

    This is another point I have heard many times over the years that I still have trouble agreeing with. Who is this "US" you are talking about? The injustice on the Earth has been perpetrated by the financial elite and members of elite secret societies being guided, often hypnotically, by the Orion energy via their occult rituals, if not direct contact.
    And that's us !!! Smile It may be like taking a mirror and looking up your own bum... "Is that ugly thing really me?" But it is. Mankind as a whole is an organism. A social memory complex. A unity. If this unity were to look at part of itself and say "This is not me" then it steps into the "Disidentification/projection/conflict" scenario. If it says this is me. Then there is room for resolution.

    I've personally participated in occult ritual. Of various forms including a few variants very close to this elite's occult rituals. I know how it works. I've seen some drastic results and effects. I've even been attacked magically. Let me tell you a secret:

    As Pratchett would put it. It's all headology. It works because you believe it works. There's no power in a sword a broom or even the skull of Geronimo... You just use those because they're convincing.

    <granny voice> "You just know it works because it's got newt's eyes in it. Everyone knows newt's eyes see the future, fact of life that is..."</granny voice>

    The secret of life is that your IAM is all that is. The rest is elaborate ritual giving yourself permission slips for the light to go on and off after you hit the switch.

    Which is why the whole idea that they're in control is so problematic. If you claim someone else is in control. It's not just a statement of belief, it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

    Quote:Since many of these people are born into this elite culture and traumatically abused into obedience in early childhood, I still feel that it is questionable to say that they had CHOICE, but let's leave that and assume they made the choice pre-incarnationally. THESE are the people who control 90%+ of the world's resources while the majority of the world's population live on $1 a day. They have control of the drug market, the oil market, the sex industry, the media, the banks, etc. And they have this plan.
    There is always choice. I knew a victim of abuse. She was sexually abused by her mother from her first year right up to her 14th year when she fled the house and almost joined the legion of prostitutes. It was a friend who stopped her from doing this. And she started the long road to recovery which she herself stated she will never complete. But she has an interesting insight to share. She's pretty brutal when it comes to this. If people feel they're victims. If they're too apathic/pathetic to fight for themselves. They're not worth fighting for at all. She then proceeds to explain how they're better off with a bullet between the eyes. You must understand this lady has developed strong feelings in the matter. Truth is that she is university degree with expectations of a great future while most of those like her never amount to anything. Broken for life. The only difference is that one blamed another, while she blamed no one but herself for her immediate mistakes.

    She's right if you were to take the effort and open their cage door. Most people would complain about the draft. Or tell you how it's impossible to even exist outside the cage. The fact that someone opened the cage from outside doesn't serve as evidence apparently.

    Quote:What I'm saying is, there is the "US" that is the common people, the $1-a-day people, the living month-to-month people, SOME of whom are aware and concerned about issues such as UFOs, government conspiracies, New Age energies, etc. We can do our best to tell others and share the information and hope to wake people up.
    If that doesn't work. Then apparently the majority of the people chooses to remain ignorant. They'd rather put their faith in the sheep dog than in their own mind. Do you blame your dog for putting his faith in you?

    Quote:Meanwhile, the controlling elite group, with all the money and material power, have made a very strong choice, many centuries ago, to bring in their New World Order and implement the Orion system.

    Quote:There have been many kinks in the plan, and I'm sure that a major one is that US citizens still have not given up their gun ownership, but you can hardly say that the elite have lost their power and influence.
    The freedom to own guns in America has little to do with anything. You're not the only country with that freedom, most countries actually have this freedom, and as infiltration by the negative elite goes you're pretty much the top. Europe has no freedom to own guns. But Europe gives arguably at least as much or more freedom to it's citizens. If the freedom to own guns had anything to do with it then the countries where people can own guns would be the free countries.

    Seriously. You got a gun. Then what? Play soldier versus people who are far better at it who can shoot you from miles up in the sky? You'll never even see them. You think bullets will protect you from bullets? Sounds like a solid defense strategy. I'll be over there in the unarmed corner. Smile The NRA makes a lot of noise but there is no evidence that having a gun actually protects you and your loved ones. Certainly not against an army.

    Quote:Many sources insist that it is waning, but I am still waiting to observe some major changes. Of course MY CHOICE is freedom for all beings. I just don't feel like I have much say here in 3D, on this planet. I understand that, spiritually, WE are ALL ONE, both US and the power elite. However, I feel completely cut off and disconnected from those other selves, and don't know how to communicate with them to deter them from their path of control and enslavement which they have aimed at us. When you talk about "without our support, it'd die out in a heart beat", what support are you referring to? How do you propose to remove this "support" practically?
    The support is the belief we have that things are done to us... Good example is "My kid saw Janet Jacksons breast on television. Now he's having behavioral problems." One interpretation is a naked breast causes behavioral problems. Another interpretation is that being so messed up that you're shocked to the core by seeing a body part is what causes your kid to have some behavioral problems. A century ago a kid that age would butcher his first rabbits or chickens. And a breast is going to be traumatizing Smile See my objections to most of humanities blame someone else mentality?

    Stop putting the blame on the outside. Stop believing authority. Make up your own mind and stay down to earth.


    Quote:It actually makes perfect sense to "blame" a far away galaxy when those are the facts you have discerned through years of research. I do not feel I am blaming them and then cowering in fear. I would very much like to feel as though there is something I can do, and I still meditate and share information as much as possible, and take actions that make me feel as though I am WORKING towards the Light. Beyond this, though, I feel totally unsure about my ability to have any effect on the overall global picture.
    Stop being so unsure Smile Your choices have more weight than you'd expect. If you choose the average then there will be no noticeable effect because the average is already wished for by billions. But if you choose the extraordinary. Then the effects are usually bigger.

    Their goal is to keep you unsure. They don't have the intent of the universe behind them. They could not handle your certainty.

    Quote:Phew, I'm so glad to have found a forum like this where I can have discussions on these topics. I haven't had anyone to talk with about these issues, at this level/depth, in years! Please share your thoughts, even if you totally disagree with what I'm saying, I would love to hear it! Smile
    Your wish is my command sir Tongue

    It's just another insight, one I chose to follow a while ago. There's so many people choosing to believe the ridiculous. Like the belief that the evil orders are acting like weak lame ducks right now before they initiate their plan that kills off all the humans on earth. Which they could do at any point but they're doing the lame duck routine now because... Eh... It is extra mean to then suddenly reveal themselves to be all powerful? These guys are at this moment becoming a parody on themselves. The old Illuminati masters would roll in their graves with the mess the current generation is making of things. It's not even the current generations fault. It's us, we've become unmanageable.

    Mankind faced more difficult times. The Orions are not superior to us. They are equals at best. They have the high tech toys. But spiritually speaking they're still dormant.

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    Safe Places? - by MisterRabbit - 08-01-2009, 11:58 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Sirius - 08-02-2009, 07:39 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 08-02-2009, 12:28 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by airwaves - 08-02-2009, 12:41 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Lorna - 08-02-2009, 03:56 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 08-02-2009, 07:05 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by MisterRabbit - 08-02-2009, 05:22 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by airwaves - 08-02-2009, 06:04 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Lorna - 08-02-2009, 05:43 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Sirius - 08-02-2009, 08:48 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-02-2009, 11:36 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by thr33tim3 - 08-04-2009, 02:42 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-04-2009, 12:16 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 08-03-2009, 07:47 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by ayadew - 08-03-2009, 08:39 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Richard - 08-03-2009, 03:58 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by MisterRabbit - 08-03-2009, 09:55 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by thr33tim3 - 08-03-2009, 10:51 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-06-2009, 07:15 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 08-07-2009, 09:58 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by MisterRabbit - 08-05-2009, 11:16 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Ali Quadir - 08-06-2009, 05:39 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 08-06-2009, 08:19 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Ali Quadir - 08-06-2009, 09:28 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by thr33tim3 - 08-06-2009, 01:03 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Ali Quadir - 08-12-2009, 06:46 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by thr33tim3 - 08-12-2009, 01:39 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Whitefeather - 08-13-2009, 12:02 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Ali Quadir - 08-13-2009, 05:45 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Richard - 08-06-2009, 10:10 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Sirius - 08-06-2009, 08:43 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-06-2009, 09:30 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Whitefeather - 08-09-2009, 07:57 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-09-2009, 09:22 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Whitefeather - 08-13-2009, 06:58 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-13-2009, 07:09 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by MisterRabbit - 08-11-2009, 04:27 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-11-2009, 06:17 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 08-12-2009, 04:09 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by ayadew - 08-13-2009, 08:16 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 08-13-2009, 09:12 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 08-16-2009, 12:48 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Vince - 08-17-2009, 09:31 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 08-17-2009, 01:16 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Vince - 08-17-2009, 06:45 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-17-2009, 06:54 PM
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    RE: Safe Places? - by Vince - 08-25-2009, 09:09 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Richard - 08-17-2009, 02:12 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Whitefeather - 08-18-2009, 11:35 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by thr33tim3 - 08-18-2009, 02:42 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by βαθμιαίος - 08-18-2009, 05:47 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by thr33tim3 - 08-18-2009, 07:18 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Richard - 08-27-2009, 10:46 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 08-19-2009, 01:25 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 08-19-2009, 12:39 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 08-19-2009, 12:47 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 08-19-2009, 12:54 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Eddie - 09-11-2009, 05:17 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Whitefeather - 08-30-2009, 07:37 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by PandaB - 09-10-2009, 06:21 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 09-10-2009, 06:34 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 09-10-2009, 09:54 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by irpsit - 09-11-2009, 02:44 PM
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    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 09-20-2009, 05:20 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by godexpressing - 09-21-2009, 10:36 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 09-22-2009, 01:00 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 09-20-2009, 12:39 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Eneary - 09-21-2009, 05:22 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 09-21-2009, 05:37 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 09-21-2009, 06:41 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by fairyfarmgirl - 09-22-2009, 09:18 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Monica - 09-22-2009, 12:48 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Whitefeather - 10-18-2009, 02:46 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Marina - 10-25-2009, 05:50 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by gharghur - 10-25-2009, 06:26 PM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Marina - 10-26-2009, 12:42 AM
    RE: Safe Places? - by Whitefeather - 10-27-2009, 12:10 AM
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