07-22-2011, 07:12 PM
(07-20-2011, 06:47 AM)Crown Wrote: If what you say is true, then why would Ra only mention this fact about him?
"the one known as Muhammed delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships."
notice that how it doesnt say positive, but 'intelligible distortion' of mind/body/spirit relationships. islam is actually quite straightforward - there is the god, mohammad is its last and foremost prophet, and everything is under mohammad in importance (in creation). also, everyone has to abide the rules 'god' gave mohammad, manifesting as koran as his material, and then mohammad's sayings (hadith) and then mohammad's life.
also, constantly unity of everything and 'god' is reiterated - there is a concept of 'one', however, this concept seems to be manifesting only in mohammad's allah and its described properties, and only after mohammad (everything comes after him in importance).
it seems shaped to manifest oneness/unity in the understanding/persona/whatever of mohammad. so, he seems basically to be a 6th density wanderer trying to manifest unity/oneness of everything in his own persona.
(07-20-2011, 09:45 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The Sufis certainly made postive use of the Quran. I have read a few books from Henry Corbin, and William Chittick's book "The Sufi Path of Knowledge". If you have any doubt as to the positive aspects of Islam, please read these works.
they havent. the most positive form of that sufism had taken place in the middle of the country i am living in, in the teachings of mevlana celaledddin-i rumi.
and if you look at his teachings, you will see that almost all of the material in qoran and its sayings is excluded, but only the 'oneness' of everything is reiterated and repeated constantly. same goes with other versions of sufism.
Quote:And how could you say "judging from his material"? The material being the Quran. Its full of positive teachings. One would asume that it has some parts of it that are polluted just as any other holy book. But clearly, the essence of the Quran is positive.
i would like to see those positive teachings myself. i see people mentioning such 'positive' nature of islam and koran in random discussions around the net, however yet, as for someone who have studied koran for a long time, i have yet to see them.
there is all kinds of nonpositive information ranging from how to divide women as war loot and mohammad's share from war loot in koran, to how the unbelievers should be ambushed and killed, how women are of lowlier nature than men, why and how the muslims should engage in jihad until all other religions are either killed or subdued (signified by paying tribute).
koran is actually not a spiritual or religious book. it is basically a constitution which includes all kinds of things ranging from the above to how to eat, live and so on.
Quote:And "Judging from his life"? Can you bring any examples?[/font]
i can bring endless examples, and you wouldnt like any of them. beni qurayza tribe and what happened to them, is one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza
that wasnt an exception.