(07-22-2011, 07:12 PM)unity100 Wrote:(07-20-2011, 06:47 AM)Crown Wrote: If what you say is true, then why would Ra only mention this fact about him?
"the one known as Muhammed delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships."
notice that how it doesnt say positive, but 'intelligible distortion' of mind/body/spirit relationships. islam is actually quite straightforward - there is the god, mohammad is its last and foremost prophet, and everything is under mohammad in importance (in creation). also, everyone has to abide the rules 'god' gave mohammad, manifesting as koran as his material, and then mohammad's sayings (hadith) and then mohammad's life.
also, constantly unity of everything and 'god' is reiterated - there is a concept of 'one', however, this concept seems to be manifesting only in mohammad's allah and its described properties, and only after mohammad (everything comes after him in importance).
it seems shaped to manifest oneness/unity in the understanding/persona/whatever of mohammad. so, he seems basically to be a 6th density wanderer trying to manifest unity/oneness of everything in his own persona.
Quote:And how could you say "judging from his material"? The material being the Quran. Its full of positive teachings. One would asume that it has some parts of it that are polluted just as any other holy book. But clearly, the essence of the Quran is positive.
i would like to see those positive teachings myself. i see people mentioning such 'positive' nature of islam and koran in random discussions around the net, however yet, as for someone who have studied koran for a long time, i have yet to see them.
there is all kinds of nonpositive information ranging from how to divide women as war loot and mohammad's share from war loot in koran, to how the unbelievers should be ambushed and killed, how women are of lowlier nature than men, why and how the muslims should engage in jihad until all other religions are either killed or subdued (signified by paying tribute).
koran is actually not a spiritual or religious book. it is basically a constitution which includes all kinds of things ranging from the above to how to eat, live and so on.
Quote:And "Judging from his life"? Can you bring any examples?
i can bring endless examples, and you wouldnt like any of them. beni qurayza tribe and what happened to them, is one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza
that wasnt an exception.
"Everyone has to abide the rules" Is totally wrong. It is clearly mentioned in the Quran that you would only be a believer if you choose to do so. Nothing is forced upon no one. And also, Notice how ti does not say negative either.
Quote:"there is a concept of 'one', however, this concept seems to be manifesting only in mohammad's allah"- One of the msot basic aspects of Islam is Tawhid allah. Or tawhid al rab, or simply wahed allah. It means to make god as one. Thats unity in my opinion. And no, mohhamad is not invloved in this case.
Quote:"it seems shaped to manifest oneness/unity in the understanding/persona/whatever of mohammad. so, he seems basically to be a 6th density wanderer trying to manifest unity/oneness of everything in his own persona"- Even though this legitemately and relevantly could be true, but i think more in the way of a distorted understanding, and not an attempt of manifestation. The prophet was contacted by a being of light. The human prophet precieved information and expressed it in a way. It is far from what the original channel attempted to descrbe just because information pollution is always there.
Quote:"i would like to see those positive teachings myself. i see people mentioning such 'positive' nature of islam and koran in random discussions around the net, however yet, as for someone who have studied koran for a long time, i have yet to see them."- The exact opposite. People like you, randomly throw around on the net the "Negativity" of Quran. However, these claims are based on disinformation and rumors. Yes the Quran has "primitive" principles, but suiteable to a certain time period. And by all means, positive. As mentioned, polluted information exists in this holy book, but in no way, defines it.
Quote:"there is all kinds of nonpositive information ranging from how to divide women as war loot and mohammad's share from war loot in koran, to how the unbelievers should be ambushed and killed, how women are of lowlier nature than men, why and how the muslims should engage in jihad until all other religions are either killed or subdued (signified by paying tribute)."- I am sorry but alot of this information is incorrect. I am curious as to where have you studied the Quran, and who was your teacher, if you had any.
Quote:"koran is actually not a spiritual or religious book. it is basically a constitution which includes all kinds of things ranging from the above to how to eat, live and so on."- disagreed. The Quran is also and above all, a spirtual religious book.
Quote:"i can bring endless examples, and you wouldnt like any of them. beni qurayza tribe and what happened to them, is one."- First of all, linking wikipedia is not really informative in my opinion. Besides, these are stories of human beings in action. Not the words of any being or entity. Actions that were suiteable to a certain time period in history. Actions which are easily understandable when looking at the specific time frame. By the time these events where occuring, people were commiting much more bizzare acts all over the globe. It was a part of how our conciousness worked.
If you actually want to quote specific parts of the Quran and prove your claims, then please go ahead. I will be more than happy to try and offer you different explanations of the text.