6th-Density Negatively Polarized Wanderers?

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"Everyone has to abide the rules" Is totally wrong. It is clearly mentioned in the Quran that you would only be a believer if you choose to do so.

i am wondering how extensively you have read koran or read it at all.

there is no such thing. it is explicitly ordered for muslims to wage war on nonbelievers :

in Maide/5/35, god orders muslims to go to jihad for salvation.

in Tevbe/9/5, he orders muslims to hide and wait the people who worship idols, and kill them wherever they can find them, jail them, and let them go free if they convert and do daily prayers and give tithe. and than says "the truth is god forgives and he has mercy". very ironic, these two concepts being in the same lines.

in Tevbe/9/29 god orders muslims to fight the other major religions (those who are said to receive books by islam - judaism, christianity) until they submit and pay tithe.

In Tevbe/9/41 god orders every one, whether they want it or not to go to jihad in the name of allah and make war, at expense of their lives and their property.

in Tevbe/9/73 he orders his prophet to make war on the 'deniers' and be harsh against them.

In Tevbe/9/113 he orders it is not acceptable to bless/pray for those who worship idols, even if they are close relatives.

notice - in islam, these are god's words. nothing can precede them. the only proposition that is in line with what you are claiming is found in one of mohammad's hadith, boiling down to a meaning of 'your religion onto you, my religion onto me'. however, since koran precedes mohammad too, this hadith cant be used to argue against what koran orders above.

the highest position a non believer can hold, is a nonbeliever that is conquered and subdued, which is signified by paying tithe. and in that stage, nonbelievers are in a discriminated status.

- One of the msot basic aspects of Islam is Tawhid allah. Or tawhid al rab, or simply wahed allah. It means to make god as one. Thats unity in my opinion. And no, mohhamad is not invloved in this case.

just saying 'everything is one' does not describe the nature of a philosophy/belief. 6d negative entities think that everything is one too. yet, it has to be a one under their control.

and in islam, as evidenced with the description of events in mohammad's ascent to heaven, mohammad is depicted as the entity that is highest than anything else.

moreover, in quran, god says to mohammad that if it wasnt for him, he wouldnt have created anything. (ie, everything was created for his sake).

mohammad is, apparently involved in this case.

- Even though this legitemately and relevantly could be true, but i think more in the way of a distorted understanding, and not an attempt of manifestation. The prophet was contacted by a being of light. The human prophet precieved information and expressed it in a way. It is far from what the original channel attempted to descrbe just because information pollution is always there.

we only have mohammad's descriptions and what he says for the above. it is impossible to discern the nature of that initial contact. it may or may not have been an positive entity. it is also questionable that there may have been a contact. mohammad was illiterate, but he spent a lot of time in the ancient monasteries in jordan, palestine and other places in caanan during his trade trips to syria. and learned a lot of things from the monks while staying in those places. curiously, the first thing muslim invaders did in a place they invaded was to burn books, destroy anything reminiscent from the past. a lot of very ancient and secretive knowledge has been lost in caanan and egypt in this way.

even if the contact was real and was not negative at the start, it apparently turned negative later, with the unquestionably negative orders given in entirety of koran.

- The exact opposite. People like you, randomly throw around on the net the "Negativity" of Quran. However, these claims are based on disinformation and rumors. Yes the Quran has "primitive" principles, but suiteable to a certain time period. And by all means, positive. As mentioned, polluted information exists in this holy book, but in no way, defines it.

- I am sorry but alot of this information is incorrect. I am curious as to where have you studied the Quran, and who was your teacher, if you had any.

i dont think there is anything random in the orders of the god that i have included in the above excerpts. since you are able to argue like in the above block, it makes me think that you have never in your life sat and read koran attentively.

i am going to repost these, since it seems that it would help you a lot.

in Maide/5/35, god orders muslims to go to jihad for salvation.

in Tevbe/9/5, he orders muslims to hide and wait the people who worship idols, and kill them wherever they can find them, jail them, and let them go free if they convert and do daily prayers and give tithe. and than says "the truth is god forgives and he has mercy". very ironic, these two concepts being in the same lines.

in Tevbe/9/29 god orders muslims to fight the other major religions (those who are said to receive books by islam - judaism, christianity) until they submit and pay tithe.

In Tevbe/9/41 god orders every one, whether they want it or not to go to jihad in the name of allah and make war, at expense of their lives and their property.

in Tevbe/9/73 he orders his prophet to make war on the 'deniers' and be harsh against them.

In Tevbe/9/113 he orders it is not acceptable to bless/pray for those who worship idols, even if they are close relatives.

- disagreed. The Quran is also and above all, a spirtual religious book.

your disagreement falls short in that koran not only includes how to divorce, how to divide plunder, how to treat women, but also all kinds of behavioral orders on how to treat other people, ranging from muslims to minorities. the levels of nonbelievers are sharply drawn, from idol worshipper to book religion believer.

there is nothing spiritual in these. it is directly a codification of laws. and most of those laws, apparently are based on traditions and laws of quraysh tribe, the tribe in mecca before and in mohammad's time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quraysh_%28tribe%29

- First of all, linking wikipedia is not really informative in my opinion. .

the references are at the bottom of wikipedia. you can verify all references. in addition, no historical or present muslim scholar or historian has any objection as to what has been done to that tribe.

Besides, these are stories of human beings in action. Not the words of any being or entity. Actions that were suiteable to a certain time period in history. Actions which are easily understandable when looking at the specific time frame. By the time these events where occuring, people were commiting much more bizzare acts all over the globe. It was a part of how our conciousness worked

quite. human beings in action. and their actions express their orientation.

i would like to remind you that, treatment of beni quraiza tribe was not the first or last time something like this happened.

If you actually want to quote specific parts of the Quran and prove your claims, then please go ahead. I will be more than happy to try and offer you different explanations of the text.

it is appalling that you can actually say the above, in the wake of what i have shared. anyone who had studied koran or claiming to be a muslim, should have known those verses by memory.

in addition, - no, you cant interpret koran :

- koran says its god's unchanged word. this makes it divine and unquestionable in regard to accuracy according to koran.
- koran also says it is a book that is 'as clear as the light of day', and both 'the shepherd and the scholar' would be able to understand it. this totally eliminates any kind of 'interpretation' attempt. if someone reads it, s/he understands it, period. no interpretation or explanation can be claimed to be necessary, for doing so contradicts koran in regard to its claim to clarity, and therefore it contradicts god, which is told to be koran's author.

therefore simply, it is as written in koran if koran says do something, it means it. not that there could be anything to be explained about 'lying in wait to ambush' unbelievers and killing them on sight either ...

such 'interpretation' attempts to reinterpret koran in order to remove the aggressive aspect was tried in egypt by various islam scholars and activists. the result had been that some had been killed, some had to flee the country.