07-24-2011, 08:38 PM
(07-24-2011, 06:27 PM)Ankh Wrote:(07-23-2011, 11:18 PM)unity100 Wrote: in addition, - no, you cant interpret koran :
- koran says its god's unchanged word. this makes it divine and unquestionable in regard to accuracy according to koran.
- koran also says it is a book that is 'as clear as the light of day', and both 'the shepherd and the scholar' would be able to understand it. this totally eliminates any kind of 'interpretation' attempt. if someone reads it, s/he understands it, period. no interpretation or explanation can be claimed to be necessary, for doing so contradicts koran in regard to its claim to clarity, and therefore it contradicts god, which is told to be koran's author.
Could you please provide quotes from Quran where the above is stated?
(This is an extremely interesting discussion that you have here. I hope that you can both continue it, without getting too defensive/offensive/negative on each other. I am following it with interest.)
16:103 -> quran is in clear arabic
2:286 -> on no soul god puts a burden greater than they can bear (including understanding his orders in koran)
34.3 , 10.61 depict koran as a clear book.
ironically, in his effort to make people understand that koran is not ambiguous, someone has done most of the work already at this address :
http://www.quranists.net/2011/04/21/the-...s-details/
some worth including are :
Quote:“Alif Lam Ra (This is) a Book, whose verses are made decisive, then are they made plain, from the Wise, All-aware.” (11:1)
“Ha Mim. By the evidence of the Book that makes things clear . Surely We have made it an Arabic Quran that you use your reason.” (43:1-3)
“Ha Mim! By the evidence of the Book that makes things clear. ” (44:1-2)
“We have made the revelations clear to you, if you will use your reason. ” (3:118)
“And indeed We have made the Qur’an easy for taking reminder, then is there anyone who will receive admonition?” (54:17)
“Is it not enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe.” (29:51)
it goes on and on. add to that the constant repetitions and reiterations of the concept 'there can be nothing/noone in between subject and allah', 'allah being closer to you than your veins' etc.
of course, if you leave out the contradictions. koran, despite saying it is clear for everyone, proceeds to say that only allah can know mysteries in the book. then also proceeds to say men of wisdom would understand. 3 contradictions in one shot.
however, and maybe rather unfortunately, this is not enough to argue against koran being clear with its practical orders -> since these mysteries, as it seems, pertain to mystic and otherworldly stuff, not to stuff that involves what someone should or should not do in his/her life. and unfortunately, orders like jihad, suppression of 'infidels', killing of polytheists and so on, are included in those practical orders, along with how to eat, how to clean yourself, how to divorce and all that.