(01-09-2009, 05:04 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Thanks once again, Steve and Dreaming, you've both done yet another fine tag-team responseI completely agree with all of your statements. When I strip everything away to it's core foundation, take a walk through a park and ponder the subject, I always come to the conclusion that a shift of this nature would best be served by everyone over the course of hundreds of years, rather than mere minutes. Then you have the Ra and moreover the Q'uo material to back it up. This also ties in to the 'Children and Ascension' thread where a similar train of thought is coming up.
I think for a lot of people, including myself, it's some times hard to shift your idea of an outside authority of information as being the actual authority. I'm working on that! I.e. I am pretty new to the metaphysical and Law of One teachings, meditation, etc... having grown up in a western culture (usa), we're not taught to use our intuition. We're taught to seek truths from outside sources... The news, the government, etc. Of course you know that I don't mean that you should stop seeking information, but simply that there is no emphasis placed on what we can determine as right or wrong, true or false for ourselves. That's why DW's argument wade a pretty big splash with me initially. I think also that the idea of an instant shift for a lot of people is very exciting, which may be responsible for some people not wanting to give up the notion. There are more and more 2012 themed websites starting everyday. But a fast shift is more likely something you'll see in the movies.
However, this leaves the significance of 2012 in some question for me. If the shift is gradual, what does the year mean, or does it mean nothing?
One last note, I can see now, and agree that any STO entity such as Carla would never put her own spin on channeled information, as has been suggested by DW.
Thanks for your kind comments!

My understanding regarding the real significance of 2012 is that it is the absolute final date for Harvesting of souls. It's important to remember that it's a harvesting of SOULS, not bodies! And many of those souls have already been harvested, when they left 3D reality via natural 'death.'
Ra stated early on that the Harvest could have occurred sooner, if we had all been ready. Say, for example, if the entire population had been ready to be harvested in, say 1995. They could have harvested us then. But the population was not ready, so they have been delaying the Harvest until the last possible second, in order to maximize the chances for polarization, so that the Harvest would be increased (being that the Harvest was so small).
Evidently, the Harvest has increased since the LOO sessions...Q'uo seems to indicate that they are pleased now instead of worried at the, er, tiny Harvest. But, it's still relatively small, apparently, so they are still giving us as much time as possible. But they cannot go past Winter Solstice 2012, for astrological reasons, evidently. Ra said it was 'like the turning of the clock.' Gaia is being very patient, but there is a deadline by which She will no longer be able to support new 3D entities incarnating.
My interpretation is that, while there will indeed be a transitional period lasting perhaps decades or even centuries, 3D entities won't be able to choose polarity after 2012. So, while there will be many 3D entities still here on Earth after 2012, it will be only those who are harvestable, since the Harvest of souls will have already occurred for those discarnate...and the only souls remaining on Earth will be the dual-activated entities and those who are clearly harvestable and choosing to stay and help with the healing of Gaia.
That's my take on it...what does everyone else think?