Hello Lavazza. I am quite pleased you brought the Ohaspe thread up. I've never before had the opportunity to question the material openly with others verses left to ponder it privately.
To you 3D, I wonder if there is any specific reference to the speculation we mutually considered as regards the chronology of "material being passed" by the Confederation, namely in (1) finding a suitable material, (2) finding a suitable channel, (3) transmitting a said material to same, and then finally (4) allowing the chips to fall where they may, this as regards less distortion vs more.
After further consideration to our previous speculation, if true, I am left to comment how sad a state of affairs this would be. For example, is there anything in the Ra material that might seem to suggest otherwise, such as the first three premises being true, but that the 4th and last might be challenged, by either the inference or fact that any said material(s) is passed only after a final review as the last and final step, this as more in keeping with the definition of "passed"? This would indeed be far more in keeping with the term "passed" as a definition, for what indeed is "passed" under the first premise other than the implication of finding of a suitable material and channel only, rather than passed as regards "the material" itself. Otherwise the emphasis of "passed" in this context lies only in the "attempt" as opposed to the "result". In other words, by our previous speculative assumption, a material is passed before the fact rather than after, this by simple virtue of the fact "in an attempt to do so" verses a transmission passed only after a review of said material. In this manner the Confederation would at least lend an opinion to a said material they initiated as being in keeping with it's principles. Otherwise there would seem to be a contrary understanding to the definition of something being "passed". "Passed" in this context of the Confederation having "passed" a certain material would be in keeping with the word normally understood, this as synonymously meaning that a certain material has been at least nominally "approved". I submit again, on second consideration, that "passed" in the context as we spoke to on our previous post would lie only towards an "effort" verses an acceptable and approved "result". In this manner the suitable material in fact channeled and having been transmitted is further in keeping with task and intent of Confederation principles and philosophy were it also to recieve at least a "passing nod". Were this not true, logic then dictates through our previous assumption that although a Confederation material were "passed", it might result nonetheless in the "Devils Manuscript" of pure STS principles irrespectively. Given Ra commented that Ohaspe passed, it might not be out of the reach of logic to assume they might not also have made a comment to the fact that it failed to be in keeping with Confederation principles had it not. If to the converse a material is passed, and this were to also imply that the material was in keeping with Confederation principles and philosophy, presumably meaning that only a certain amount of distortion were allowed to be "peppered" in the material, but that it would never "pass" were it to be so distorted so much as to create an STS manual instead, this then would be more in keeping with "passed" as a definition. I must believe if Ra commented on the material some two hundred years after the fact, as they did, and by sharing that it "passed" the Confederation, as they also did, then they might have additiopnally commented by suggesting that it were as severely distorted, if it were.
This principle of "passing" after the fact by a review, by simple logic might indeed apply to a material being understood as having "passed", unless indeed all is in fact sadly left to chance after the fact by letting the chips fall where they may. This would however seem to be entirely counter-productive to the entire process of attemting to teach. Working through the the hypothetical principle of "passed" to mean that the Confederation takes an active process all the way through the act, it then stands to reason to hope that there may also be an approval mechanism after the fact as well to create a passing ( i.e., A REVIEW AS IT WERE) as well as before the fact (i.e. FINDING A SUITABLE MISSION OF A SUITABLE MATERIAL AND THEN A SUITABLE CHANNEL WHICH SAID MATERIAL IS TRANSMITTED TO).
Curious, and remaining as interested in the thread....................
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To you 3D, I wonder if there is any specific reference to the speculation we mutually considered as regards the chronology of "material being passed" by the Confederation, namely in (1) finding a suitable material, (2) finding a suitable channel, (3) transmitting a said material to same, and then finally (4) allowing the chips to fall where they may, this as regards less distortion vs more.
After further consideration to our previous speculation, if true, I am left to comment how sad a state of affairs this would be. For example, is there anything in the Ra material that might seem to suggest otherwise, such as the first three premises being true, but that the 4th and last might be challenged, by either the inference or fact that any said material(s) is passed only after a final review as the last and final step, this as more in keeping with the definition of "passed"? This would indeed be far more in keeping with the term "passed" as a definition, for what indeed is "passed" under the first premise other than the implication of finding of a suitable material and channel only, rather than passed as regards "the material" itself. Otherwise the emphasis of "passed" in this context lies only in the "attempt" as opposed to the "result". In other words, by our previous speculative assumption, a material is passed before the fact rather than after, this by simple virtue of the fact "in an attempt to do so" verses a transmission passed only after a review of said material. In this manner the Confederation would at least lend an opinion to a said material they initiated as being in keeping with it's principles. Otherwise there would seem to be a contrary understanding to the definition of something being "passed". "Passed" in this context of the Confederation having "passed" a certain material would be in keeping with the word normally understood, this as synonymously meaning that a certain material has been at least nominally "approved". I submit again, on second consideration, that "passed" in the context as we spoke to on our previous post would lie only towards an "effort" verses an acceptable and approved "result". In this manner the suitable material in fact channeled and having been transmitted is further in keeping with task and intent of Confederation principles and philosophy were it also to recieve at least a "passing nod". Were this not true, logic then dictates through our previous assumption that although a Confederation material were "passed", it might result nonetheless in the "Devils Manuscript" of pure STS principles irrespectively. Given Ra commented that Ohaspe passed, it might not be out of the reach of logic to assume they might not also have made a comment to the fact that it failed to be in keeping with Confederation principles had it not. If to the converse a material is passed, and this were to also imply that the material was in keeping with Confederation principles and philosophy, presumably meaning that only a certain amount of distortion were allowed to be "peppered" in the material, but that it would never "pass" were it to be so distorted so much as to create an STS manual instead, this then would be more in keeping with "passed" as a definition. I must believe if Ra commented on the material some two hundred years after the fact, as they did, and by sharing that it "passed" the Confederation, as they also did, then they might have additiopnally commented by suggesting that it were as severely distorted, if it were.
This principle of "passing" after the fact by a review, by simple logic might indeed apply to a material being understood as having "passed", unless indeed all is in fact sadly left to chance after the fact by letting the chips fall where they may. This would however seem to be entirely counter-productive to the entire process of attemting to teach. Working through the the hypothetical principle of "passed" to mean that the Confederation takes an active process all the way through the act, it then stands to reason to hope that there may also be an approval mechanism after the fact as well to create a passing ( i.e., A REVIEW AS IT WERE) as well as before the fact (i.e. FINDING A SUITABLE MISSION OF A SUITABLE MATERIAL AND THEN A SUITABLE CHANNEL WHICH SAID MATERIAL IS TRANSMITTED TO).
Curious, and remaining as interested in the thread....................
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