So, what does penetrating the veil truly entail?

[Unbound]

Aha Well like I said I was only making an expression of my perception and was not pinning you down to my observation, it was merely an experiment of expression. I assure you no understanding has been lost! Just trying to connect to your heart, my friend.

I actually quite agree with you, since I myself am actually incredibly empirical. However, I will say that to refer to something as "actual" is somewhat diminishing of the nature of reality. You deduce something as being "actual" only when you can PHYSICALLY perceive it. Well, does that mean the wind is not real? Perhaps light is not real? Afterall, we only see the EFFECTS of these things. I, personally, cannot perceive light itself unless it is interacting with itself through the form of matter. Also, lets consider the frequency spectrum. We know that we have 7 colours, BUT this pattern is repeating. Which means above the Violet there is another Red, and below the Red another Violet, everything is an infinite gradient. We are well aware that we cannot perceive many types of light (UV, x-ray, gamma, etc) yet we can still observe the effects and thus in that manner "prove" their existence, yet this proof will never be truly empirical until we ourselves gain the individual abilities of perception to perceive such a thing. Does that mean they don't exist? Certainly not, it simply means that we are in a limited state of perception.

Now, as for a "light being", I once again refer to the fact of being able to see light itself. Simply duh, you can only see their effects. If you want to perceive them in a third density form, you must GIVE them a form because YOU are the perceiver, YOU construct the experience of your reality. They have no need to give themselves a third density form in order to do their work. As far as it goes, they are part of your perception of the room itself. To individuate them in to a "body" or "form" is your privilege as a co-creator. It is not just "believe and you shall see", you also have to know what you WANT to see! If you can't IMAGINE the light beings, then of course they will have no form before you.

You see, the difference here is that you are differentiating yourself from so-called "light beings". Are you not a light being? Can you not only perceive yourself through the mechanism of light? If you were to enter a sensory deprivation chamber would you cease to exist? Would you have any "proof" of your own physical existence besides a FEELING and MEMORY of your body?

There is no need for blind faith, because all of these things can be viewed and perceived as actual once you realize their nature. Certainly a light being /could/ appear to you, but as far as you are concerned they are unnecessary! Thus you get what you expect. You ask for nothing, you receive nothing.

Also, I think it is good to note that most "light beings" are in fact extensions of ourselves, and words such as "angel", "spirit", "ghost", etc are all just that, words. An angel could be anything, or anyone, it's all dependent on what YOU decide you need for yourself. If you believe an angel to be some being which exists on another dimension and needs to appear in the form of some winged human then only when you NEED to perceive that will you perceive it. It's not enough to want it, you must need it, ask it, desire it within your being.

For you, you have, as you say, seen this catalyst for what it is. Yet, does that mean it "doesn't exist"? Not in the least. It only means that you no longer DESIRE it to exist. Does that discount the reality of others who HAVE seen these things? Most certainly not, and to believe so is to put reality in a very small box.

Personally, maybe I haven't "seen" an angel, but I have seen their work, I have felt their connection and I have spoken with them. That is enough for me to deduce that regardless of what word I want to use there are forces other than I at work in the universe. All is energy, and personification is a privilege of the person. For myself, I choose to give the forces at work a personification because it helps me to CONNECT to them in a real manner. It helps me to perceive the reality of those forces in the same way I must believe that I myself exist in a real manner that others may perceive and thus gain details and validation within their realities.

Your beliefs construct your reality, and so your reality will always give you "evidence" of your beliefs. If you have "rationalized" your experiences then of course you will remove from yourself the potential for their reality. If you see a ghost and rationalize it as a reflection then indeed it becomes nothing but a reflection. The choice of what you include in your perception of reality is yours.

Also, it's amusing you differentiate between something being "actual" and an "actual" reality. Is this not a little conflicting? If you believe "actual" reality to be something that is unfeeling, unthinking and without individuation and perceive "actuality" to be confirmed by feeling, thinking and individuation then you can see how you might automatically cancel out those experiences. The choice, as always, is yours!

Either way, I do enjoy seeing your perception and you certainly express some very good points, but naturally I also desire to challenge these views in the same way I expect others to challenge mine! It is a fine game we are engaged in, all of us, I am very pleased with the way this incarnation is shaping up.

Blessings all, love and light from Creator to Creator, with Love as your Guardian, adonai.