So, what does penetrating the veil truly entail?

[Conifer16]

I don't get your differentiation between 'actual' and 'real'. It seems you are trying to make a distinction, but you really aren't doing so.

There is not an actual crown chakra. Applying the concept has an actual effect thus making it real. You will never find the crown chakra. It doesn't exist outside the conceptual persona that makes up what you are now.

The Council of Saturn isn't actually there, on the planet Saturn, or the rings of Saturn. It is a concept pertaining to the reality that the what-you-are envisions for itself.

Wisdom is a concept a human applies to why the matter known as an apple is an apple rather than a gecko.


@Azrael. I can only tell you once more- I have believed until I was blue in the face. The symbols are not the actual reality, they are for learning purposes.

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@zenmaster. Believing you talk to angels during meditation is the same as hoping for disclosure to knock at your front door. Which makes me surprised at your words. Everyone, of course, draws a line somewhere.

I would just like to point out that your views might be more easily accepted by others if you prefaced your views with the explicit remark that they are your views. Because how I see it from my view is that you are saying that your view is reality and that your view is the correct view. Even if that is not what you are saying that is how it is coming across for me. Like you said "there is not an actual crown chakra" and " the council of Saturn isn't actually there on the planet Saturn" those are very definite statements and seem to point towards your view being the correct one. And In my opinion everyones view is valid and true. But see that is my opinion and all I am offering is my opinion I am not forcing it on you like some people do. But just stating it and letting you the reader decide how to respond. So I would really like it if people could try to state their views with the express understanding that they are their views and not necessarily the truth for others. I don't know if that was very coherent or not but I hope I got my view across. And unity I think that it would really help in interaction with others on this board if you expressed your views as your views rather then how things are. Because I have noticed that people seem to get up in arms about your posts because they sound like you are saying they are the only truth. I don't know if that is how you mean them but that is how I see others reacting towards them like. Basically I think that if everyone could try and accept everyone else's opinions and views things would be much more peaceful.

Thanks,
Conifer16
Adonai Vasu Borragus


I hope that this isn't seen as confrontational or anything.