So, what does penetrating the veil truly entail?

[3DMonkey]

I'm sorry Conifer16. I want nothing more than for each and everyone to express exactly who they are. It's never been my desire to change someone's mind. I only express myself with honesty. If we don't express ourselves honestly, then, IMO, nobody benefits from this forum, or anything else for that matter. Most of my discourse in this thread has been with zenmaster. I truly respect zenmaster and have learned much from him. (Azrael as well). I only wish to be understood as a valid person with a valid perspective, and in doing so, allowing me to fully explain my perspective, we can both learn something new. I appreciate everyone's personal perspective, if.... IF you would only be willing to express it... and express it with honesty and openess.... and acceptance of both views. I try to follow this idea as much as I can.

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I'm half trying to be heard and half trying to figure out what I actually think by bouncing it off you guys. ... I try so hard, because I'm still not being understood exactly as I mean to be. Part because I want to find someone to relate to and part because I would benefit from figuring out a way to say what I want to say coherently and concisely. Which is quite humorous sometimes because I have "suffered" my entire life as never being understood