Share your vision for the harvest

[Bring4th_Austin]

This is where the heart of my point in this discussion lies, and it might be something we'll have to simply disagree on. For the harvest taking place in 2011, I don't think it would be unacceptable to imply that Ra meant that the gateway to intelligent infinity opens in 2011. And again, I feel like Ra mentioning the entities not in incarnation being harvested at that time could be a clue instead of just a clarification. I feel like if Ra wanted to clarify that that's when all entities were harvested, they would have said "All entities will be harvested at this time." Instead, saying entities not in incarnation are included at this time could mean that, in the whole harvest, this is when entities not in incarnation are included. No doubt this would be a grand event, a major part of the harvest, and any entities not in incarnation at that time will no longer have a chance to incarnate to become harvestable after that date.

You may attribute my view to anything you wish, bias or bad logic or a misunderstanding of linguistics or what have you. I would very much like a quick and easy departure from this plane and this body which to me feels like a mask which is choking me...or simply just a quick and soon yet uncomfortable departure, as my curiosity drives me to wish to experience something different than this life, and I see that as a possibility, but not the only one.

well excuse me but i will have to just do that. you just reset everything back by totally ignoring the direct meaning of the direct questions and answers, and just loaded them with different meanings.

i can start with telling that if gates to intelligent infinity could remain open a whopass 100 years, Ra would tell it, and move on to reiterate the same q/as you just totally resetted to nil, but it will be a loss of time.

if you would like to see that you can just go back a few pages and read it.

you are wanting to see 'possibilities' and just seeing them, regardless of what you read. it is a one way street. you dont need me to discuss anymore.

You're excused, and you may have that opinion if you want. But I can say that there's no reason for me to wish to see different possibilities. I guess the whole thing is equating "harvest being spread out" with "the gates being open for a longer amount of time." They can be equated but in my eyes don't have to be.

26.26 Questioner: I was thinking specifically if an entity was in Hiroshima or Nagasaki at that time and he was reaching harvestability at the end of our cycle, would this death by nuclear bomb create such trauma that he would not be harvestable at the end of the cycle?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. Once the healing has taken place the harvest may go forth unimpeded.

It seems to me that Ra is implying these entities must heal before they are included in harvest. They will not be healed by the time the gateway opens, as it is stated they haven't even begun to fully start the healing process. Yet they will be harvested anyways. Would this require the opportunity for harvest to last for longer than just a year?

harvesters are present at the time of harvest. they are the ones who allow entities to manifest their violet even if they are totally disarrayed.

moreover, as said before, harvest or harvesters cannot wait the uncertain healing duration needed by a number of entities. it is a mechanical opening to infinite intelligence in the case of regular harvests. not something that is on-demand.

'gateway to intelligent infinity opens regardless of the circumstances upon striking of the hour'. this also means, it would close regardless of the circumstances upon the striking of the hour. otherwise, there is no point to there being a hour, or a 500 planetary entity crowded confederation going berserk in order to increase harvest. 100 years in 3d, means a much longer time for the densities above, or time/space. endless work can be done in such a period. just look at spirituality of the planet and its state 100 years ago, and now.

I understand that, but you're not taking into account the specifics of the quote. What do you say about "Once the healing has taken place the harvest may go forth unimpeded." If they were already harvested, the harvest wouldn't continue after healing had taken place.

Also, regarding the idea of a 4D population to fill 7 billion transitional bodies, what are we basing the average population of a planet on? I know we have an idea of how many planets are of a certain density, and what sort of percentages we can see from a mixed harvest, but do we have any idea about population? Couldn't it be possible that there are planets out there which support populations much larger than Earth? Conditions vary from Logos to Logos.

if you fall back to the initial post i made about that subject, you will see that i have taken entire galaxy as a calculation base (instead of just taking the 500 planet local confederation which would have similar tendencies) and i went on to lengths that include body type choices of logoi, the effect that would make on available technology and the effect that would make on the number of entities a planet could support.

please just fall back. its a long post and i can just not reiterate here. i actually am surprised why you are asking the very specific things i have a few times iterated.

I did a search in this thread for "population" and checked every one of your posts mentioning the word before I asked this, and just now. I don't see any specific calculations or mention of technologies or anything of that. Could it be in another thread? This conversation seems to be spanning a few threads and I've collapsed on this one without much regard for the others.