(09-05-2011, 10:46 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Look at how much time and energy we have been putting into discussing the specificity of the words? Look at how much importance we are placing on select quotes, which in the end do nothing to progress our spirituality in the least? See how distracted we have allowed ourselves to become in placing importance on specific information?
actually what we are discussing here, is a storefront in front of something that is deeper.
everyone has a certain point at which where their 'spiritual seeking' stops in this society. for some, hypocrisy arrives when they are told that they may have to embrace the competing religion's member as a loved human being. for some, it arrives when they see they may have to become vegetarian. for some, it arrives when they glimpse that the lifelong political, religious or economic viewpoint they held may not be compatible with their declared path of seeking. for some, it arrives when they are told that the spiritual pursuit they were after, may suddenly impact their life in an all encompassing manner.
there have been a lot of discussions which demonstrated all of the above 'stopping points'. this, is the latest of these, and one of the most important. all of the other stuff, are stuff related to the person's own choices, perspectives that reside within himself/herself. subjective, not tied to time, and totally dependent on the person's decision. s/he may choose either way about these.
the latest case, the case of imminent impact in one's life, is disturbing in that it requires preparedness and dedication. preparedness of the adept, to be precise. the very thing that the initiation at the bottom room of the pyramids were based after. death and rebirth. which provides the entity with liberation from the attachments, and allows the entity to move through in seeking without being hindered by these. it is the very start of adept's work.
back in discussions long ago i brought this point up. and i mentioned that this was very important. and revisited it in various other discussions. now i see that this actually was the most important thing a seeker of spiritual information and advancement should have accomplished from the start.
without it, the attachments and fixations about what is actually transitory, keeps the entity from moving forward. s/he needs and finds SOME way to totally ignore, distort, or invalidate the information or lesson or whatever experience s/he is given. exactly similar to the mechanic that was at work when Ra expressed that entities of this sphere had seemingly accepted advanced spiritual information when given, but as soon as they were in their daily lives, they ignored them. i dont need to tell you that tho, you all know that this is a daily routine. people go to church, love each other, and start discriminating as soon as they are outside. everyday business.
here we see it in action when in a context of advanced information, and outside the socially-common biases.
here is the impending inevitable and unchangeable DIRECT effect of some grand spiritual event on the person's life. and the reaction is to first 'reinterpret' it, then to 'rewrite' it, then to 'metaphorize' it, then to outright refuse it, with a hypocritically applied proposition. the steps do not matter actually, in the end all it boils down to is the need to deny information that is uncomfortable for the psyche.
one cant advance spiritually with such a behavior. no - its not something that is vague or interpretable - one cant advance spiritually with this kind of behavior : there are endless pointers and direct q/as in the material we are studying, AND others that explicitly state the importance of this. but there is no point in bringing any of these since any of these can be selectively denied in the fashion i mentioned above. those who would want to examine these can just refer to the pyramid and initiation parts in the material.
so in that respect, this is an issue which reflects the importance of what we call 'initiation' when starting a spiritual journey. and it is a very fundamental and important aspect of a spiritual journey - it doesnt even start without it.
(09-06-2011, 12:51 PM)Icaro Wrote: Unity, you have to understand that your psyche is reflecting the opposite of mine because we are coming into contact with each other. Everything you say about me, you are saying about yourself. Selective denial, unable to see with clarity etc.
Our disagreements are symbolic of unification, as Zenmaster said.
Thank you for the kind words Monica. The multi-tiered chess link was hilarious. I saved the link!
dont put me in the same basket with you. this would necessitate me going back and tracing your steps during this discussion - which is something you are not particularly fond of, as you have hinted in your p.m. you have gone over (as of now) approx 10 steps to totally ignore a piece of information to protect your perspective.
whereas on the other hand i have CHANGED my perspective when the information presented by tenet has showed that i was wrong in my assessment about harvest. i didnt go about hypocritically applying standards to selectively deny the information. leave aside going to the extent of claiming contamination.
(09-06-2011, 12:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: YES I second that! Both of them have offered deep insights which took my study of the Law of One to a new level.
what new level you are talking about, really ? please elaborate.
in case you have not noticed, such selective claiming of negative influence can be used for ANY quote in the material. nothing barred. and the measure for its application is totally subjective.