I wasn't speaking about accepting another's mindset. I was speaking of accepting someone on a personal level.
Maybe this is where you're not understanding me. Let me clarify..
The response from Ra in 17.29 about 2011 was not a total Orion take-over of the contact. An Orion answer would have been "Yes, that is correct." Ra, still having enough control of the session, was able to prevent that. Instead, the Orion entity was able to sufficiently contribute to a lack of clarity. I apologize for the misconceptions.Total take-over of a contact occurs gradually over time, and would require many sessions of detuning, and only after those seeking the information became involved in the details. There are other channels out there that are very involved in details. You can expect them to be unreliable, and they will only confuse your seeking. That is the agenda of negative entities. Because the group was harmonious in their intentions and genuinely sought to progress spiritually, this never occurred. It's only when your seeking becomes transient and interested in the details, that the Orion entities use this to cause confusion. Don asked transient questions, yes. But his seeking in asking those questions was genuine by trying to understand our spiritual history. Ra was able to work with this as best as they could to impart spiritual concepts, while the Orion entity tried to manipulate the contact. The only time that the Orion contact was successful, was the confusion over the 2011 date. Because the date carries with it fear, death, and not living in the present moment, the Orion entity is able to bend those distortions in their favor and strike more effectively.
As Ra says in 26.33.."We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it." Historical information allows the contact to be preserved in a positive fashion, because historical facts don't allow us to be manipulated as much. Ra is able to impart spiritual concepts while explaining historical information, because through spiritual interpretation of history, the session with Ra is not turned over to Orion. Because 2011 involves prophecy type information (future scenarios), the Orion entity was able to be more effective because of the importance placed upon the date, and how others will interpret it incorrectly. It is an attempt to place others in fear and control, and to keep people from living in the present moment. This is how negative entities work.
Do you see how 2011 is a specific date? And how it is related to the future? This is how the Orion entity was able to manipulate the response from Ra enough.
And how all other dates are historical, and involve the past? The sessions that involved historical dates carried with them lack of clarity also..i.e. 'harvestable'.
All I ask Unity, is with this in mind, examine sessions 14, 16, 17, 18, and 24. They all involve errors.
Session 14 - Ra states in session 17 that they incorrectly communicated dates in session 14.
Session 16 - In the original publication, Ra's clarification of dates in session 17 also refer to session 16. This wasn't discovered until recently with the re-listening project.
Session 17 - Ra starts off by correcting dates in this session, and also urging Don to understand that they We have difficulty dealing with your time/space. There may again be errors of this type. In other words, they're telling Don that 2011 is a miscalculation. In this session, Ra blatantly miscalculates Jesus' home density of the time, which was fourth, but they said it was fifth. That is a blatant historical miscalculation, and it is because the Orion entity is attempting to interfere with the channel. Then of course
Session 18 - Again, more historical information and dates. In 18.26 Ra stumbles their words..Orion interference.
Session 24 - More history and dates congruent with the above sessions.
Now. Go back again and read the context of all those sessions. In each of them, Ra is discussing how Orion polluted the Confederation's message historically. Correct? Ra is both using the opportunity of Don's questions to answer about the 'past', while also using the opportunity to speak of how Orion is currently attempting to distort Ra's message now. Ra is speaking indirectly in historical terms. These are clues because Ra can't say it directly. They are using history to tell an allegory of what is going on now.
Session 14 - They speak of George who received mixed messages from both the Confederation and Orion. This session is also about past Confederation efforts that became distorted by Orion.
Session 16 - They use this session to talk about the quarantine and the window phenomenon, and how Orion is able to come through.
Session 17 - The session becomes detuned, and because 2011 is a future projection, the Orion entity takes advantage of this by making Ra sound unclear. Again, Ra warned they have trouble with our time/space before the session. They use the rest of the session to describe how the Orion entity discredited Ra. Ra is both taking about Jesus and how Orion went about discrediting him, and how Orion is attempting to discredit Ra now.
Session 18 - Ra speaks about psychic attack, and how in the previous session the contact was "spotty". A hint. Don starts asking about history, and Ra stumbles their words again, on a historical date. Ra speaks about the pollution of Yahweh's message, specifically saying in 18.24 that the reception of their information was mixed. Ra is talking about the past, and the contact now.
Session 24 - More history and dates about the pollution of the Confederation message. Out of nowhere, in 24.2, Ra gives a specifically precise date of 10, 821. How can they say they have difficulty with time/space measurements and then here, be specific down to the year. No, they are asking Don, and that that read this, how 2011 is wrong and was manipulated.
Someone really needs to find the quote where Ra speaks of how a contact gradually, and without notice, is turned over to a negative entity over a period of time. It might be in the introduction of Book I. This is where the confusion is.
Maybe this is where you're not understanding me. Let me clarify..
The response from Ra in 17.29 about 2011 was not a total Orion take-over of the contact. An Orion answer would have been "Yes, that is correct." Ra, still having enough control of the session, was able to prevent that. Instead, the Orion entity was able to sufficiently contribute to a lack of clarity. I apologize for the misconceptions.Total take-over of a contact occurs gradually over time, and would require many sessions of detuning, and only after those seeking the information became involved in the details. There are other channels out there that are very involved in details. You can expect them to be unreliable, and they will only confuse your seeking. That is the agenda of negative entities. Because the group was harmonious in their intentions and genuinely sought to progress spiritually, this never occurred. It's only when your seeking becomes transient and interested in the details, that the Orion entities use this to cause confusion. Don asked transient questions, yes. But his seeking in asking those questions was genuine by trying to understand our spiritual history. Ra was able to work with this as best as they could to impart spiritual concepts, while the Orion entity tried to manipulate the contact. The only time that the Orion contact was successful, was the confusion over the 2011 date. Because the date carries with it fear, death, and not living in the present moment, the Orion entity is able to bend those distortions in their favor and strike more effectively.
As Ra says in 26.33.."We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it." Historical information allows the contact to be preserved in a positive fashion, because historical facts don't allow us to be manipulated as much. Ra is able to impart spiritual concepts while explaining historical information, because through spiritual interpretation of history, the session with Ra is not turned over to Orion. Because 2011 involves prophecy type information (future scenarios), the Orion entity was able to be more effective because of the importance placed upon the date, and how others will interpret it incorrectly. It is an attempt to place others in fear and control, and to keep people from living in the present moment. This is how negative entities work.
Do you see how 2011 is a specific date? And how it is related to the future? This is how the Orion entity was able to manipulate the response from Ra enough.
And how all other dates are historical, and involve the past? The sessions that involved historical dates carried with them lack of clarity also..i.e. 'harvestable'.
All I ask Unity, is with this in mind, examine sessions 14, 16, 17, 18, and 24. They all involve errors.
Session 14 - Ra states in session 17 that they incorrectly communicated dates in session 14.
Session 16 - In the original publication, Ra's clarification of dates in session 17 also refer to session 16. This wasn't discovered until recently with the re-listening project.
Session 17 - Ra starts off by correcting dates in this session, and also urging Don to understand that they We have difficulty dealing with your time/space. There may again be errors of this type. In other words, they're telling Don that 2011 is a miscalculation. In this session, Ra blatantly miscalculates Jesus' home density of the time, which was fourth, but they said it was fifth. That is a blatant historical miscalculation, and it is because the Orion entity is attempting to interfere with the channel. Then of course
Session 18 - Again, more historical information and dates. In 18.26 Ra stumbles their words..Orion interference.
Session 24 - More history and dates congruent with the above sessions.
Now. Go back again and read the context of all those sessions. In each of them, Ra is discussing how Orion polluted the Confederation's message historically. Correct? Ra is both using the opportunity of Don's questions to answer about the 'past', while also using the opportunity to speak of how Orion is currently attempting to distort Ra's message now. Ra is speaking indirectly in historical terms. These are clues because Ra can't say it directly. They are using history to tell an allegory of what is going on now.
Session 14 - They speak of George who received mixed messages from both the Confederation and Orion. This session is also about past Confederation efforts that became distorted by Orion.
Session 16 - They use this session to talk about the quarantine and the window phenomenon, and how Orion is able to come through.
Session 17 - The session becomes detuned, and because 2011 is a future projection, the Orion entity takes advantage of this by making Ra sound unclear. Again, Ra warned they have trouble with our time/space before the session. They use the rest of the session to describe how the Orion entity discredited Ra. Ra is both taking about Jesus and how Orion went about discrediting him, and how Orion is attempting to discredit Ra now.
Session 18 - Ra speaks about psychic attack, and how in the previous session the contact was "spotty". A hint. Don starts asking about history, and Ra stumbles their words again, on a historical date. Ra speaks about the pollution of Yahweh's message, specifically saying in 18.24 that the reception of their information was mixed. Ra is talking about the past, and the contact now.
Session 24 - More history and dates about the pollution of the Confederation message. Out of nowhere, in 24.2, Ra gives a specifically precise date of 10, 821. How can they say they have difficulty with time/space measurements and then here, be specific down to the year. No, they are asking Don, and that that read this, how 2011 is wrong and was manipulated.
Someone really needs to find the quote where Ra speaks of how a contact gradually, and without notice, is turned over to a negative entity over a period of time. It might be in the introduction of Book I. This is where the confusion is.
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