(09-06-2011, 11:33 PM)Icaro Wrote: The only way any of this will move forward is if we establish a base on how the pureness of the information itself affects the channel. There is unwillingness to accept that the channeling was anything less than flawless.
How information can affect the channel has been said in many ways by using Ra's own words, so I suppose there's nothing else to be said.
there is your unwillingness to accept that what you propose will totally invalidate any/all information after the session 17.29 question which is what you trying to totally go around. and there is no way around that.
leaving aside your lack of information and insight regarding what you are talking about - there is no channel here - there is an an entity named Ra, which totally took over a body of an incarnated entity, as if they were that entity itself. it is no different than you talking to your roommate or your brother. that is also an entity which has taken over a body. we are referring to it as 'channeling' rather ambiguously. not because it is something like someone passing out half-way and some random entity speaking by contacting someone's unconscious mind and using its throat and lips. the body of the entity is entirely taken over up to the point of the entity walking in being able to control the bodily parts. the owner of the body, is not there - it is said that the entity is with Ra at that point - which is also why she increasingly starts taking on the vibratory color of that environment.
moreover, they proceed on to say that if the entity chose to allow a walk-in, they could totally replace the entity in that body, act like that entity, and even shoulder completion of the entity's karmic model. which goes beyond taking over a body.
from this point on, you can argue that the negative entity got ahold of Ra, the very social memory complex in 6d using that body for that very quote you dislike, and then continually controlled Ra in order to prevent them from correcting the date you claim to be given through negative influence, but allow them to give all other info. which would of course, be ridiculous since it would be totally stupid for a negative entity to let go of something that it has gotten control of by not increasing its control.
so basically, what you propose would totally invalidate anything starting from 17.29.
if, this contact was a regular kind of channeling in which the entity was conscious or semi conscious, or, this was a form of channeling in which the entity is totally unconscious, but in its own body, the propositions you bring forth could have been true. it is not one of them, since you are not seeing random mumbo jumbo you cant understand, or incoherent mumblings that seep through with the information being relayed in occasion, or regressions or anything of the sort. it is basically an entity in a body, like you, talking and responding to someone else without going through the veil.
or you can go on to claim that the negative entity was somehow was able to influence the social memory complex Ra. which would invalidate everything in the material, not limited to things starting from 17.29.
however i see that you are STILL insisting in trying to find a way to invalidate the quote you dont like. in this topic you have attempted to call a negative influence, which didnt work out to what you desired in the end. it seems that you are trying to keep reason, and trust in the material you are studying, but still find a way to invalidate the quote you dont like.
why dont you just come up and say 'ra was wrong'. it is much easier. and it could even be true.
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actually it can be said that a 6d entity practically incarnating in a body with the exception of replacing the silver cord, therefore totally circumventing the veil would constitute a grand breach of the veil. however this is a different topic in itself, which could be very fruitful contrary to what you have been putting us through 3 separate topics.
(09-06-2011, 11:15 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Cayce was accessing the akashic records, the 'racial mind' which is also limited by what had been made conscious by the earth+inhabitant sub-logos system, up to that point. My understanding is that anyone can do this with blue-ray or higher activated, although the form of access will be different for each person.
akhasic records is not racial mind. racial mind does not reside in 7th density. ra told that cayce was reaching to the totality of the planet in future.
and :
Quote:There is a non-hampered view from the current experience. There is the aid of the 'higher self' - one's 'totality' which suggests balance, but the bias on how to achieve that balance comes from the current outlook. The more one makes conscious, the more that one has to work with - 'probability vortices' become practical guides at some point during 3rd density, even to the point of seeing actions and consequences, and the 3rd density entity can choose appropriate further working.
the totality is the guardian of that information, actually any kind of information that can be accessed.