Waking up "out of body"

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True, Zenmaster, I guess what I was trying to say is that we have no reason to feel fear.

I agree, we have no necessity to fear. On the other hand, I'd also say we have no necessity to hope.

Hope removes us from the present, yes? There's no need to think "everything will okay." Everything IS as it is.

ok. then stop going to wc this instant. if everything as it is, just quit doing that. also, if everything is as it is at that given moment, stop right at that moment. even your breath should stop at the exact point you were inhaling/exhaling. because if you change ANYthing right from that moment in which everything 'is as it is', then it means everything was not 'okay' or 'as it is' at that given point in time.

I didn't say "everything is always okay." Everything is as it is. If you need to breathe in that moment, you obviously breathe. And it is.

doesnt differ - if everything 'is as it is' then you shouldnt breathe. the moment you continue your breathing everything becomes not 'as it was' and if you keep continuing, you keep changing that everything and that everything becomes 'as it changes' than 'as it is'.

that makes 'present moment', 'as it is' propositions totally irrelevant.

the only moment everything becomes 'as it is' or 'present' etc, would be the point at which all change stops.

Why do you think we should hope?

im at a loss to understand the relevance of this question to the above concept.