Waking up "out of body"

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Hope removes us from the present, yes? There's no need to think "everything will okay." Everything IS as it is.

ok. then stop going to wc this instant. if everything as it is, just quit doing that. also, if everything is as it is at that given moment, stop right at that moment. even your breath should stop at the exact point you were inhaling/exhaling. because if you change ANYthing right from that moment in which everything 'is as it is', then it means everything was not 'okay' or 'as it is' at that given point in time.

I didn't say "everything is always okay." Everything is as it is. If you need to breathe in that moment, you obviously breathe. And it is.

doesnt differ - if everything 'is as it is' then you shouldnt breathe.

That's just a silly thing to say. The present moment offers you the opportunity to breathe, there's no reason to remove yourself from the present to breathe. The present isn't static. Living in the present doesn't mean staying stuck in a moment in time. Using your water closet example (I hope that's what you meant by WC, USA and all..), you need to use the bathroom...that's a present moment urge, so you use the present moment to use the bathroom. Relieving yourself is not removing yourself from the present moment.

rephrasing it in eloquent manner like 'offering opportunity to' does not change the fact that the moment you change the present moment, it is not the present moment anymore. if the present moment is 'as it is', it wouldnt have changed.

if you define 'relieving yourself is not removing yourself from the PRESENT moment', then you define not the PRESENT moment. because what you called 'present' just moments ago, had changed with your every act in between then and this.

if you go that way, the 'present' you talk about becomes totally something vague like 'carpe diem'. with no relevance to the present that is being talked about in conjunction with 7d and above.

the moment you continue your breathing everything becomes not 'as it was' and if you keep continuing, you keep changing that everything and that everything becomes 'as it changes' than 'as it is'.

I didn't say "everything is as it was." Of course nothing is "as it was." What it IS a moment ago is no longer what it IS now.

then everything had infinitely changed from the moment ago until now. then there is no 'present' there. there is change.

that makes 'present moment', 'as it is' propositions totally irrelevant.

Yeah, if for some reason you think "everything is as it is" means "the present moment never changes/should never change." I don't see how you make that conclusion.

if you dont see how i made that conclusion, then maybe you shouldnt be making grand definitions and deductions about what you call 'present' ? for the deduction of the above is straightforward, when you look at the definition of present in regard to 7d that is being given in the material we study. timelessness, 'eternal present' etc, only happens when all the parallel developments of every entity merge from late 6d and on, and start merging with all it can be across all its parallel existences, all kinds of other manifestations and possibilities, ALL the potential states it HAS had in all those infinite parallels, as what we term the TOTALITY. not only one entity's totality either - all entities' totalities merging with other entities' totalities and all the totalities of all social memory complexes merging with every other totality that can be out there, which is in the end leading up to merging as the 'one' singular sun into intelligent infinity one more time.

that means, the 'present' you talk about can only happen near that event horizon - near intelligent infinity, when EVERYTHING that can happen in all universes and parallel realities have happened and merged.

anything under that, there are infinite amount of things happening. so, there can be no 'present'.

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no other referral to a real state of 'everlasting present' has been used in the material other than when referring to the state of totalities in 7d and on. 'the totality of the entity can be seen in its eternal dance of the present'.

so, a 'present' does not exist in 3d. and, instead, 'past and future' exists, as Ra told about 3d.

Because it was related in the original context of my statement which you wished to debate. Hope removes us from the present moment, and you're contesting the idea that we should not be removed from the present moment.

then let me simply put it :

hope is desiring towards the next change that will make you come closer to infinity. that hope/desire will attract the next state of change which will make you come closer to the ever present you are talking about. and only through infinite desiring and experiencing you can come close to that present you are mentioning here.

there is nothing that can remove you from 'the present moment', because you are not there. you are, as a finite entity, just a part of that infinite present state you are trying to bring into this 3d time point, just like how Ra mentions that they are just but a tiny fragment, spark of infinite creator, regardless of how repetitively they mention how infinite the entities are.