(10-19-2011, 01:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:(10-19-2011, 09:24 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Part of the free-will opportunities for learning here. The middle-eastern valuing system is largely within the 3rd subdensity.
not exactly.
even as of 1981, the world consciousness was still orange.
yellow is the density of many, organization, ideas, abstract thoughts, ideals. the society forms its characteristic.
it is still not too different even today. if you look at not only the organized religions of middle east, but also the modern capitalist system of the west, you will see that all of them still imitate herd behavior - dominance of one perceived strong member over the herd.
religions do this through prophetization of an individual, capitalist system does this through ownership, in the end it all boils down to herd behavior - one strong male rules over all the herd with some lesser males as its henchmen.
not so different from feudal system.
in 2d there is little free will. leave aside herd behavior making it unlikely that the lower recesses of the herd will have any choice, but also perception of the 'many' and the resulting concept of choice (among many choices) is a trait of the 3rd density which brings abstract thought.
90% of the subdensities deal with various distortions of 'herd mentality' (which is also egocentric), as the whole point is to learn about self awareness. It's only in the last subdensity that one sufficiently individuates to not be unconsciously influenced by the herd for lessons of self awareness.
Free will is always there, we have plenty of opportunity. As many are not polarized (still orange), the so-called 'negativity' is really just pathological distortions of the particular subdensity. It should be realized that social structures, such as feudal systems are not pathological. They provide a learning opportunity for a particular set of distortions at the core-valuing for a subdensity. In that case, the 3rd subdensity. Choice is something people provide for themselves as they discover their ability to choose. Here we have plenty of social structures, at each subdensity, to choose from.
(10-19-2011, 04:25 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote:zenmaster Wrote:Yes, but do the means justify the ends?I'm not sure what you mean by this since the phrase typically runs the other way.
Nevertheless, I find him very self-consistent, which is my most important truth-filter.
If someone wanted to teach others about something, it would be unethical to manufacture a story unless that purpose was disclosed. I could care less how self-consistent it was. We are plagued with stories of this type due to unethical attitudes of the utilitarian mindset.
We can make up anything we desire, and always have someone resonate with it as 'truth', while what they are resonating with is a shadow or a manipulation.