10-16-2009, 11:08 AM
Hi Lavazza,
I know we've touched on this topic before, so I've taken the liberty of copying from an earlier post. Since you've posted this on the Law of One forum, I will approach it primarily from what we glean from Ra themself:
From the simplest level, what Ra is saying is that there is a direct relationship between the Logos' choice to allow free will within its creations (e.g., 3D entities), and the availability of "evil" (or less judgmentally, "negativite polarity"). This makes perfect sense in that where there is no good/evil dichotomy, there is no "choice" just as where there is no free will there is no "choice". The other necessary aspect for the granting of free will though, is the removing of conscious knowledge of ones inherent godliness. This we refer to as the veil (note also, that the words veil and evil are anagrams... do you think this is a coincidence?).
But the existence of evil goes even deeper than veiling and free will. It touches on the original reason for our existence. Recall that we are here to help the One Creator experience himself. Before the existence of "the choice", all 3D experiences were of a much more harmonic and peaceful (monochrome) nature, as you describe in your original post. Although this made for easier lives for the 3D entities, it produced much less variety of experiences than could occur in a dichotomic world, and it also complicated the process of polarization and advancement due to this comfortable existence. In addition though, consider how much more colorful life is with the veil:
This quote really brings home the importance then of free will -> veil -> evil -> choice in terms of creating much more varied and interesting experiences which we will eventually distill and bring back to the Infinite creator for his bemusement and enjoyment.
One of the other things you mention as the idea of "harming" an other self. Personally, I always try to recall that there is no way to truly "harm" another creator. What we have in stead is the appearance of harm within the illusion of our existence. The purpose of this is three fold, first it provides the person to whom the harm is done the opportunity to polarize (either positively through forgiveness, or negatively through control of the resulting feelings) from the catalyst, second it provides the person who did the harm the same opportunities for polarization (through forgiveness of self and reparation, or control over the feelings of causing others pain), third, and I think most importantly, it provides the creator the vastly more varied experiences of both entities.
Before the veil, 3D existence included remembering that we all are one, so experiences like intentional harm caused between 3D entities was essentially unheard of. Also, Ra mentions that it took these entities much longer to graduate to 4D, kind of like it's more difficult to motivate a child to go to work, if they already have a multimillion dollar trust fund. The veil changed all that, but I also find it fascinating to note that the Logos that first implemented the veil had no idea that STS might result from it. So STS is a wonderful example of how, through free will, the creator surprises even himself!
Just a few thoughts to chew on. Thanks for another great topic.
3D Sunset
I know we've touched on this topic before, so I've taken the liberty of copying from an earlier post. Since you've posted this on the Law of One forum, I will approach it primarily from what we glean from Ra themself:
Ra, Book IV, Session 77 Wrote:Questioner: Would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, positive polarity.
There was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function of only the positive polarization evolving from the original creation of our sub-Logos?
Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third-density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.
Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad.
It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.
Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.
Questioner: I guess, under the first distortion, it was the free will of the Logos to choose to evolve without free will. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
From the simplest level, what Ra is saying is that there is a direct relationship between the Logos' choice to allow free will within its creations (e.g., 3D entities), and the availability of "evil" (or less judgmentally, "negativite polarity"). This makes perfect sense in that where there is no good/evil dichotomy, there is no "choice" just as where there is no free will there is no "choice". The other necessary aspect for the granting of free will though, is the removing of conscious knowledge of ones inherent godliness. This we refer to as the veil (note also, that the words veil and evil are anagrams... do you think this is a coincidence?).
But the existence of evil goes even deeper than veiling and free will. It touches on the original reason for our existence. Recall that we are here to help the One Creator experience himself. Before the existence of "the choice", all 3D experiences were of a much more harmonic and peaceful (monochrome) nature, as you describe in your original post. Although this made for easier lives for the 3D entities, it produced much less variety of experiences than could occur in a dichotomic world, and it also complicated the process of polarization and advancement due to this comfortable existence. In addition though, consider how much more colorful life is with the veil:
Ra, Book IV, Session 95 Wrote:Questioner: Thank you. In the last session you indicated in the statement about the immature male meeting the immature female that the information exchanged was quite different with respect to what occurred because of the veil. Would you give an example of the information exchange prior to the veil for the same case?
Ra: I am Ra. Given this same case; that is, the random red-ray sexual arousal being activated in both male and female, the communication would far more likely have been to the subject of the satisfying of that red-ray, sexual impulse. When this had occurred other information such as the naming could be offered with clear perception. It is to be noted that the catalyst which may be processed by the pre-veil experience is insignificant compared to the catalyst offered to the thoroughly bemused male and female after the veil. The confusion which this situation, simplistic though it is, offers is representative of the efficiency of the enlargement of the catalytic processes occurring after the veiling.
This quote really brings home the importance then of free will -> veil -> evil -> choice in terms of creating much more varied and interesting experiences which we will eventually distill and bring back to the Infinite creator for his bemusement and enjoyment.
One of the other things you mention as the idea of "harming" an other self. Personally, I always try to recall that there is no way to truly "harm" another creator. What we have in stead is the appearance of harm within the illusion of our existence. The purpose of this is three fold, first it provides the person to whom the harm is done the opportunity to polarize (either positively through forgiveness, or negatively through control of the resulting feelings) from the catalyst, second it provides the person who did the harm the same opportunities for polarization (through forgiveness of self and reparation, or control over the feelings of causing others pain), third, and I think most importantly, it provides the creator the vastly more varied experiences of both entities.
Before the veil, 3D existence included remembering that we all are one, so experiences like intentional harm caused between 3D entities was essentially unheard of. Also, Ra mentions that it took these entities much longer to graduate to 4D, kind of like it's more difficult to motivate a child to go to work, if they already have a multimillion dollar trust fund. The veil changed all that, but I also find it fascinating to note that the Logos that first implemented the veil had no idea that STS might result from it. So STS is a wonderful example of how, through free will, the creator surprises even himself!
Just a few thoughts to chew on. Thanks for another great topic.
3D Sunset