STS, trying to understand

[sylverone]

Someone previously said they were 'entering the game late'? Well, hello everyone, I'm Really Late. Pleased to meet you in the here and now! I'm going to jump back all the way back to the early posts of this thread, but first, allow me to to express my thanks.

You see, I decided to read all of the posts in this thread before I posted. As I was reading I began to have strange and intriguing thoughts about my own polarity in regards to STS/STO. Ultimately, it resulted in what feels to me like an inner awakening of some sort, but I don't understand quite what has happened; essentially, I found myself (without feeling threatened) entertaining the notion that I may be a very subtle STS individual, to the degree that I did not realize it myself, believing myself to be STO. After the resulting "inventory" of self as I examined this possibility, I have decided that this is doubtful. Yet, I still feel as if I have awakened in some spiritual aspect. In short, although I know not what has just happened to me, I thank you all for providing such wonderful catalyst. ;D Please feel free to find my personal journeying humorous, or even ridiculous! Now, onward!:

Recall that beyond mid-sixth density, the entity is completing his outer works and is turning inward to ultimately merge with the creator. Thus, he must turn his back on all the helpless souls crying for service! Does this not sound like a selfish action? Similarly, in order to merge again with the creator, the STS entity must acknowledge that there exists a greater entity with which it desires to merge and bring its gifts of distilled experience. Does this not sound selfless?

How much of the inward-outward polarity do you beleive exists at this level ? The words "turning inside out" come to mind... Consider the nature of such a transformation; how could any "turning of backs" occur at this point? Also, may I point out your use of the word "greater" as potentially unnecessary? To polarize toward STO, I would think that the concept of "equal" would be more consonant with this shift. I simply wish to bring attention to these things, consider them as you will.

I've seen people bear consequences for their behavior in events they consider unrelated. Opinion doesn't matter as much as causality..

I hesitate at this, because I'm not sure we understand very well the relationships between belief/opinion and causality. Simultaneous time also further complexifies this, because I've heard that, in the absence of linear time experience, cause and effect are somewhat interchangeable. That is, in light of the knowledge that "Everything Exists", it can be reasoned that "you trip on a rock because you are about to have a bruise". Another related notion is that which states that "collectively, all of the Infinite Individuals compose the Creator"; although most times we consider the Creator to be the "first", this is simply a convention due our limited ability to grasp what "infinitely simultaneous" really means or implies. For instance, I find it difficult to understand how free will can function on that level.

Seeing as STS's are seeking separation of themselves from the Creator, and STO's are seeking unity with the Creator, there are for sure tangible differences between getting rid of the STS or getting rid of the STO bias when going through 6d. STO's are already "on the path", whereas STS's are not.

Why seek separation when we are already separate? Why not conquer/assimilate/program all "others", in a form of unbalanced unity? Perhaps it is certain inherant flaws of this notion that requisite the need to eventually become STO?

36.12 [...] There are no negative beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality, of late sixth-density as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth-density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.

Note that Ra allows the possibility that its knowledge is not complete regarding this issue. This is very interesting to me. What if negative entities HAVE achieved true Unification within the Infinite Logos, but when it occurs, it is invisible to all but Unity; this seems perhaps in line with what STS naturemight be like at that level. The penultimate STS DEpolarizing to unity in a sudden, complete release off all the light absorbed up to that point (which would be ALL light except for the infinitely tiny final spark of Unity). This is of course, grand speculation, but if I can imagine it, does it not exist within/as the Infinite Creator?

I have sometime joked (or, rather, sort of half-joked) that whenever I hand over the report of my sojourns to the Creator, I'm going to give the Creator an earful! I intend to complain loud and clear that suffering isn't fun, and see if something can't be done about it in future Creations! Surely the Creator can think of some other ways that don't include suffering! I know the mechanics of how things work in our neck of the woods were designed by the Logos, so the Logos will definitely get an earful too!
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Yup...if the Creator wants to absorb my experience, then I've got some ideas that I'd like considered!

Hehe! There is much irony in what you are saying, and how it is said. If you are not completely aware of this already, then consider that to make a complaint, you must first believe the one to whom you complain to be "greater", or at least "separate". Ultimately, it seems that you are "blaming yourself", in an ,shall we say, Infinitely Roundabout fashion! I don't know how serious you were, but you said "half-joked", so I figured I would attempt to address the "half serious" side.

I'm interested in this discussion as it pertains to why there is evil at all, but I think trying to really understand the mechanics of how STS entities polarize might not produce much fruit, being that covering that topic was not an objective of our Confederation friends. There just isn't a lot of data about it in the Law of One, so most of what we say would be based on speculation.

Perhaps it wasn't touched upon much because it is something that we will ultimately come to understand, just as we come to understand all things; they simply felt that that information was not of a time-sensitive nature? After all, isn't a large reason that any of the information exists at all supposed to be because it is related to the harvest at hand?

Why is faith so important? Many religions put a premium on faith. But perhaps that should be a separate thread...

It looks like I get to mine a quote for the first time!

3.9 Questioner: I am reminded of the statement—approximately—that if you had faith to move a mountain, the mountain would move. This seems to be approximately what you were saying. That if you are fully aware of the Law of One, you would be able to do these things. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory distortion of sound, faith, is perhaps one of the stumbling blocks between those of what we may call the infinite path and those of the finite proving/understanding.

You are precisely correct in your understanding of the congruency of faith and intelligent infinity; however, one is a spiritual term, the other more acceptable perhaps to the conceptual framework distortions of those who seek with measure and pen.

Also, a personal note; for me there is at least one thing in this Universe which must absolutely be taken on faith. This one point of faith between me and the Creator is that I will never be absolutely destroyed or imprisoned. Ultimately, if one thinks deeply enough into this, what this simply means is that my ultimate point of faith is that Unity exists, and that All is already in Unity. After all, as Ra has stated, "there is no nothingness".

Should the wise then remain silent (perhaps so ... I don't know)?

The should/shouldn't polarity construct is connected with a lot of confusion, so I will choose to answer by saying this; there some who, having wisdom/understanding, find it within their nature to speak about it, and there are some who find it in their their nature to be more silent. Both types could be either STS or STO. Some of the latter may choose silence out of a knowledge that ultimately, all will come to understand these things, as All are One, and thusly already have.

So, maybe some knowledge of STSness is not such a terrible thing?

How will we attain Unity without becoming All Things, and thusly knowing All Things?

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Now, to place myself more directly on the original topic:

But, why is it that a seemingly loving creator (my naivete again?) would seek to know elements of itself that is harmful to itself (STS actions as perceived by the victim)

The difficulty here is not that the creator is unloving, but that you are operating under the notion that the Creator CAN hurt itself. Within the Grand Unity, surely all pain exists, yet so does all healing. If your mind dwells on the pain, then you can forget the healing. Do you remember Ra's exercises? Consider the first excercise:

To begin to master the concept of mental disciplines it is necessary to examine the self. The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience within your mind you must consciously find the corresponding impatience and vice versa. Each thought a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself.

The second mental discipline is acceptance of the completeness within your consciousness. It is not for a being of polarity in the physical consciousness to pick and choose among attributes, thus building the roles that cause blockages and confusions in the already distorted mind complex. Each acceptance smoothes part of the many distortions that the faculty you call judgment engenders.

Where you find pain within yourself, call to mind the corresponding relief. Then, accept both the pain and the relief by holding them both at once, bringing them together, and find the love within this unity. Perhaps this will be helpful to you, because it seems that your difficulty in understanding regards pain itself more than the STS/STO polarity. Perhaps I am misled, however.

I apologize for the massive size of this post. Thanks to everyone!