Q'uo: The harvest began in 1987

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TN - one never learns if they are not open to challenging themselves and their beliefs. To assume you know all the answers and to block your ears to others is a sign of ignorance/arrogance.

Agreed. Still, it is curious/interesting to observe how those who are closed to challenging their belief systems tend to be the first to lob accusations of ignorance/arrogance at others. Another funny thing... I almost never perceive others to be arrogant.

4D wanderers returning to 3D: I would assume they experience those perspectives concurrently. That is the nature of the Creator, after all.

Yes, I think that is the case.

My notions being turned upside down: I thought that the harvest would 'open' to all at the winter solstice. It turns out that the date is nothing more than a marker for Earths completed development of the 4D sphere that nests above this one. Importantly, nothing changes in a day-to-day manner, we have our entire lives to polarise, balance and service others. The only change is the understanding of a concept.

Ah, I see. Yes- I am not really sure either but the notion I am getting is that the vibration of this environment will reach a threshold in 2012, such that all those who are able to remain physical will have at least passed the 51% mark. Right now we still have a mix of people, some harvestable and some not.

If this is the case, I see that it would be in congruence with your notion that:

I thought that the harvest would 'open' to all at the winter solstice.

Many, including myself, read 'upon this plane' as the current 'this'; 3D. The actual context is that of the 4D sphere/plane that is being created due to the rotating/spiralling of the solar system into a new region of space/time. Hence it's creation is akin to that of a cosmic clock.

Yes, I concur.

This was my point for quote a few posts which we had a misunderstanding about. I have always maintained that 3D will not evolve into 4D; they are distinct, separate spheres. One passes between them through the doorway of death; walking the steps of light. Hence my repetitive mentioning that the ascension discussion is not 'gradual vs. instant', rather, 'when you die' :¬)

In that case, we have been on the same page all along. I wonder how we got confused about each other's views? Well, no matter. I am happy to see this resolved.

Nothing to fear there :¬)

A minor technicality: but speaking for myself "nothing to fear" sometimes results in more fear! When I hear "there is no good reason to fear" it sits better with me.

I think you have to be of a certain level of adeptness to do so. Otherwise the higher self will "catalyst slap" you with regards to being here to learn and offer service.

Oh certainly. And I didn't mean to imply I know how to do this!! Just that I think it is possible.

Q'uo: "the harvest started in 1987, in what you call the harmonic convergence"

Yes. **mental gears grinding** What comes to mind is perhaps people were being offered the steps of light in '76, but didn't actually start incarnating into 4D until '87? Time does pass differently depending on one's vantage point. But that is just conjecture.