Q'uo: The harvest began in 1987

[zenmaster]

Not according to the material. They also need to be here for their own evolution.

I understand why they are here. The context I intended was discussing whether or not the catalyst is needed... to graduate to 4D.

I see.

Also, are you overlooking that there were still Logoi graduating from this octave before the negative path even existed? No, this level of intense negativity is not at all necessary, and Ra explicitly says as much in Session One.

Why is that relevant? Without the veil, their is no opportunity for misunderstanding so it's kind of moot. If all is seen as one, there is no concept of positivity either. Positivity is not at all necessary.

Almost all wanderers are pre-higher-self actualization.

Please explain what you mean by this.

Work in 6D involves balancing at least until that completed higher-self as attained (actualized, time/space = space/time). "the Higher Self is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex as needed from a position in development of the entity which would be considered in the future of this entity."

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P.S. zenmaster, Just to satisfy my previously stated suspicion on Earthlings, would you say you are ever wrong on anything?

Yes, everything I say is wrong, if you need it to be. Do you somehow find a need for what I say to be either right or wrong, as if what has been subject to your discernment somehow forms the basis for ultimate reality? Does that satisfy your suspicion? The right and wrong phase will completely pass eventually, when more effective ways of perceiving are discovered.

Because you are pointing out the importance of being 'wrong' (in contrast to your distorted perception that I need to be right), it does seem that you still subscribe to (and are quite bound to) the 'right' vs 'wrong' dichotomy. From such a position, such a projection will always be in the form of a strawman. Then we get to use another person to further reinforce our own notion of the impropriety of right and wrong positioning (unless and until we can completely accept it, that is). That also, is funny.

Immediately following what we think is a transcendence of a particular meme, we tend to be hyper-sensitive to, drawn to the rejection of what is perceived to be the now obsolete way. That's because we have not yet balanced the incipient meme that would replace it. To me that's also humorous. But it's just natural and easy to forgive. Eventually there will be less grasping around with apprehensions, less projection, and more acceptance.

Is there any example that you could point to where your personal opinion/belief/view is not correct?

Sorry to let you down, but I don't put too much faith in or stock in the concepts of correct or incorrect as if my evaluations were like a math equation. It doesn't 'do' anything, in itself, to 'be right', as if that was even possible. You may want to take a look at the INTJ personality type.