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    Thread: What is the value of faith?


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    01-10-2012, 08:22 PM (This post was last modified: 01-10-2012, 08:26 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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    (01-10-2012, 12:31 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: 1. Faith allows us to rest in the awareness that "All Is Well".

    Ankh Wrote:Faith and an open heart, right?

    Not sure. I imagine that those of the negative persuasion are able to employ faith in order to access intelligent infinity despite a certain closed-ness of the heart.

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    Tenet Nosce Wrote:2. Intention draws this awareness inward and connects to Intelligent Infinity.

    Ankh Wrote:I understood it as an intention which is "honed" through the desire to the will, which then opens the gateway.

    Interesting! Those were just my first impressions. With that particular statement, I was thinking there must be some intention on the part of the seeker to acknowledge the connection to the divine.

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    Tenet Nosce Wrote:3. Desire brought about by bearing witness to suffering allows Intelligent Infinity to take on a particular energetic form. This is the "upreaching".

    Ankh Wrote:Where did you read about suffering, or of intelligent infinity to take a particular energetic form?

    I didn't. Actually I hemmed and hawed a bit over what to put there. The general idea gets back to the witnessing- it often takes actual physical catalyst in order to stimulate our desire to end suffering.

    For example- consider how many animals get injured by moving vehicles on a daily basis. Now I won't speak for others, but this isn't something that I generally "lose any sleep" over. However, were I to directly witness such an animal suffering along the side of the road, I would feel an impulse or desire to alleviate that suffering.

    Under "normal" circumstances, I can see myself relying upon my own skills and knowledge to alleviate the suffering. However- given the context of faith- I can also see the possibility to move in a different direction. In other words, I could simply "offer up" the suffering to the Creator, which creates an equal and opposite impulse to bring balance to the situation. Thus what was previously formless (spirit) is granted the ability to take form through the agency of consciousness. The responsive manifestation of intelligent infinity may, or may not, have anything to do with any actions taken by my body. It really has nothing to do with "me" as I would generally perceive myself under ordinary circumstances. It has to do with a function which I may be called upon to fulfill.

    Ankh Wrote:The "upreaching", as I've understood it, is the energy of the intelligent infinity that is "ceaselessly and infinitely" moves through our physical and energy mind/body complexes (which I called "everpresent" in my post). The open heart is the key to further "upreaching".

    Yes, I can see what you are saying. I am basing the view I offered on a particular type of experience. What I had in mind was that sort of sick, anxious feeling I experience in my abdomen when I view suffering which could be my own suffering, or that of an other self. I experience this particular energy which arises from the witnessing of suffering as has having a sort of tendency to move upwards in the mind/body/spirit complex. I can actually feel it moving upwards- so this is what I was referring to as the "upreaching".

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    Tenet Nosce Wrote:4. Will allows this energetic form to be expressed through our mind/body/spirit complex. This is the "downpouring".

    Ankh Wrote:Will activates the process of intention reaching the indigo ray center, if that is our deep desire, right? That is when the gateway to the intelligent infinity is opened.

    I am not sure. It seemed to me like they were saying that intelligent infinity can work through any of the rays alone, or in combination. But I am having a hard time imagining that indigo wouldn't be involved to some degree.

    Ankh Wrote:By energetic form did you mean "the Infinite, personified and shaped into specificity by the nature of the will and desire of the seeker" energy?

    Yes.

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    Tenet Nosce Wrote:5. Faith allows us to return to the resting state.

    Q'uo Wrote:The locus wherein that energy rests after being called through the gateway is quite dependent upon the nature of the desire that has been shaped into a very active willing.

    Is that the resting place that you've meant?


    Yes.


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    What is the value of faith? - by Lavazza - 01-07-2012, 02:06 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Tenet Nosce - 01-07-2012, 02:17 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by zenmaster - 01-07-2012, 03:27 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by kycahi - 01-07-2012, 04:44 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Shin'Ar - 01-07-2012, 10:30 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by zenmaster - 01-07-2012, 01:06 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Shin'Ar - 01-07-2012, 04:25 PM
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    RE: What is the value of faith? - by zenmaster - 01-07-2012, 05:47 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Diana - 01-20-2012, 01:35 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by zenmaster - 01-20-2012, 09:41 PM
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    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Namaste - 01-07-2012, 11:47 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Tenet Nosce - 01-07-2012, 01:18 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by zenmaster - 01-07-2012, 02:02 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Tenet Nosce - 01-07-2012, 02:32 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by zenmaster - 01-07-2012, 02:41 PM
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    RE: What is the value of faith? - by native - 01-07-2012, 04:58 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Shin'Ar - 01-07-2012, 04:28 PM
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    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Shin'Ar - 01-07-2012, 10:32 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by zenmaster - 01-08-2012, 03:40 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by βαθμιαίος - 01-08-2012, 10:56 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Ankh - 01-08-2012, 07:17 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by βαθμιαίος - 01-09-2012, 10:31 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Tenet Nosce - 01-10-2012, 12:31 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Shin'Ar - 01-08-2012, 07:33 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Ankh - 01-08-2012, 08:29 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Lavazza - 01-11-2012, 01:07 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Shin'Ar - 01-08-2012, 09:51 PM
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    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Ankh - 01-09-2012, 05:10 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Ankh - 01-10-2012, 05:02 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Tenet Nosce - 01-10-2012, 08:22 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Ankh - 01-11-2012, 11:16 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Tenet Nosce - 01-16-2012, 10:50 PM
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    RE: What is the value of faith? - by native - 01-22-2012, 03:32 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by turtledude23 - 01-23-2012, 02:25 AM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Ankh - 01-23-2012, 12:31 PM
    RE: What is the value of faith? - by native - 01-23-2012, 10:28 AM
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    RE: What is the value of faith? - by Ankh - 02-07-2012, 06:18 PM
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