David Wilcock

[Monica]

My fear has to do with what i experienced breaking away from the psycopath guru who brainwashed me/i allowed to:/ and now i feel fear for having expressed criticism towards David and the moderation on DC. I know it's irrational but none the less real..

Sorry to hear about what you experienced with the meditation guru! I had a similar experience with a religious mentor who turned out to be very controlling. She had advised me to pray about everything, to take all my troubles 'to the Lord' but whenever I shared with her some guidance that disagreed with what she told me, she told me that what I thought was guidance couldn't have been from God! As though it were a given that everything she told me was in alignment with God's guidance! That was when I went, oh wow, this is outrageous! My eyes were opened!

It can leave one a bit shell-shocked! But healing does happen. After my own experience with the religious mentor, I went thru a few lesser experiences with other spiritual mentors. It took me awhile to realize that I didn't need to see anyone as an authority! I also realized that everyone inhabiting a 3D body still has a lot of learn! They might be experts in some chosen fields, but that doesn't mean they are experts in everything! And even the spiritual leaders, maybe even especially the spiritual leaders, have their own challenges! They have to deal with ego, the temptations of power and control, maybe wealth, etc. Just look at how many mega-church pastors have gotten caught being corrupt! Many of them probably started out totally sincere. I know my own religious mentor did. I feel certain her heart was loving at the time I met her, but I watched what power did. I watched what happened, and I was stunned...but unable to do anything about it, since she didn't want to hear my feedback. I was reminded of those souls described in the Law of One who tried to force spirituality on their tribe and then woke up polarized to STS...Ra said they were 'disconcerted.' That really made an impression on me, reading that!

So it can and does happen...with Christian pastors, political leaders, New Age gurus...so I'm not surprised you encountered one. I have a friend who got raped by a guru in India...this guy had a lot of groupies...she was so shocked and surprised that she never told anyone until years later. It was sad. But she expected the guru to be at a certain level of decency and integrity, so just couldn't make sense of it when he did something so horrible.

Actually, reading the Law of One is what helped me the most to realize that no spiritual or religious leader is any 'higher' or 'more advanced' than you or I. When I saw that even these higher-density beings were so humble and considered themselves students as well as teachers, how could I see any mere humans as authoritative?

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Bring 4th is really a lovely breath of fresh air, I stand appreciative of the mutual respect which proliferates and is the order of the day.

Hi Mark! Welcome to Bring4th! Yes I too often marvel at the level of respect and love here...we have an amazing community, with lots of loving people. It has just sort of happened that way, with very little input or direction from the mods. I feel honored to be involved here.

Much intellectual repartee has been engaged in between members here, and this has served to stimulate much thought and reflection on my part, as 'Wilcockian' reservation and point and counterpoint from a truly world class foundation of LOO students is presented here, seemingly unabridged and complete.

It is definitely unabridged and complete. I don't think the other mods or I have edited a single post on this thread.

I feel compelled to attempt to make a salient point as regards the LOO. The Ra material per se is not the Law of One. It is an attempt (albeit the best we have in modern times to summarize) to express something of the Law of One, yet the Law of One is something eternal and unchanging since the first distortion of the one infinite intelligence.

That is a very good point and I agree 100%!

I would attempt to draw a distortion-tinged distinction between that which is at the core of beingness and the intellectual presentation of the written Ra books. The written words can only be countenanced as firstly something which enters the mind of the reader, and will then to varying extents be picked up by the larger being of the reader, to resonate or not; as is in resonance with the whole being of the reader.

Again I am in agreement!

The scholarly terminology pertaining to the concept of a Law of One scholar may be referring to one who has made an exhaustive study of the five books in question, and has thrashed about the issues of interpretation of the intent of the Ra as to sudden vs. gradual, etc., as well as the many finer points of the Ra's dictated work.

What of one who has resonated with the core message, and found that this marvelous body of work bespeaks that which is already felt and accessible at the larger intuitive core of being which has a history of living the LOO and is already expressing the LOO in every day life?

To sceptics who question another's scholarly qualifications to speak of aspects of the LOO, I suggest again that the LOO is no more in the province of the Scholar, anymore than it is in the province of some simple maiden or gent living the Law, yet who has never heard of it - yet approaches the world with love and the desire to share and promote love and outward service as per their own native calling.

Beautifully said!

As an example, I have an internet friend who is 100% Bible-based Christian. He has never read the Law of One books and probably never will, because he is satisfied with his chosen spiritual path. He is very different from most mainstream, fundamentalist religious people I've met in the sense that he seeks the depth in his chosen scriptures, and somehow manages to find the love in every bit of it, even in cases where I was unable to! I am in awe of his wisdom and love, yet this young man is only 24! When I first met him, I thought he was an elderly, retired pastor, his wisdom was so profound! I consider this person to be living the Law of One more than just about anyone else I've ever met! He needn't ever read the books...he's got the wisdom! And he is undoubtedly sharing this wisdom in his own Christian community.

One who rises on his own solitary initiative, in love and attempts to spread and multiply unconditional love and a rare (on this ginormous interweb ) positive view of our collective predicament directed to as wide an audience as possible despite their human frailties and warts and imperfections will do more good for our common cause - provided they can withstand the tide of inevitable depolarisation attempts - than those who endlessly quibble with and promote their intellectual fine points and attempt to undermine, (perhaps inadvertantly) a great cause.

Agreed!

What, I may ask certain detractors, have you done which approaches DW's great effort to appeal to the collective human family, in the way of direct appeal to love via the incalculable resource of the internet?

That is a question for each person to ponder. I will say only that one need not be famous to do a lot of good on a daily basis...as Q'uo has suggested, being willing to look in the mirror and heal ourselves, and smile at the cashier, and choose love in the present moment, ripples out and affects the whole in profound ways we will probably never comprehend...and is perhaps the most important, and the most difficult, task of all. It's easy to intellectualize, but far more difficult to apply the concepts of love/forgiveness.

No one is perfect, and all will ever continue to learn as they go.

Very true!

Those who wish to detract are very many - and so to be fair to all, certain guidelines are enforced across the board, only with a mind to maintain a level playing field, and to keep out the tides of serious negative comment. When addressing such a large cross-section of seeking humanity, there is so much negative imput that mod policies need to maintain an even keel of forum etiquette, so to speak. I do so hope you understand this need of ours to keep precious and beautiful David's forum! Mark

It appears that your guidelines are stricter now than when I was a mod over at the old asc2k forum. I was a only a backup mod, and only for a few weeks, but, if I remember correctly, established members were allowed to post freely. Only new members were on moderator status. That was a few years ago and I know his membership has grown tremendously since then, and I can see how he might have attracted a lot of those who think he's evil etc. As I mentioned earlier, I have been called 'satanic' on public forums just for believing in reincarnation! That can certainly be difficult to deal with! I don't envy your job! It just wasn't something I personally felt comfortable with. I found it very difficult to know when something was edited for being truly negative, or just for voicing a different opinion. I'm not very good at that sort of thing! I'm probably too wimpy in some ways...sometimes I don't recognize negativity when maybe I should...anyway, I just couldn't seem to get a grasp for their moderation guidelines. (I guess I have it pretty easy here, heh.)

But that's ok...as I said, I still refer others to DC! And I still lurk there sometimes (though not much lately - too busy!).

Thank you for sharing, Mark!