02-15-2012, 12:45 PM
Hi Zaxon,
I'm curious about how you would see participation in this forum as beneficial to you. It is "social" and predominantly "love-based." Why would you want to share your views and your path? How do you see this as self-oriented service? Or are you hoping for converts?
I guess I don't see the desire for freedom and independence as "negative". Eventually the adept must be impersonal in all his or her doings--even in the relationship to self. This will seem "evil" to some because it breaks through the predictable ties upon which society relies (the experience of the Matrix of the Spirit (p. 50 of Book IV or session #80.10).
Here are a few other thoughts on the balance of Love and Wisdom from a source I trust:
“Different souls are at different stages of evolution. At one time mankind was of the grade of evolution of the plants today; and there are still a very great many souls which are at the level of evolution of the animals…but the greater majority of mankind, in civilized countries, have drawn clear of this stage…and are in a transition stage between being completely Group ruled and being individualized. Towards such, compassion needs to be shown; and to them come the Masters of Compassion and those who serve Them, helping those on the painful path of individualization. For when they are in the transition stage they are, in varying degrees helpless and irresponsible, freed from the perfect control of the Group Soul, not yet in full control of their own destinies. To such, God is Love, because the God whom as individuals they adore blindly, takes the place to them of the Group Soul; but to those who have achieved individualization and are responsible for their own destiny, God is Truth, and their need is not compassion, but understanding. …It is only individualized souls that are suitable for initiation, but there are many souls who, in the course of achieving individualization have acquired deformities (I think Ra would say “distortions”)…the correcting of a deformity is painful, and it cannot be helped…We do what we can to mitigate the pain by teaching the sufferer to cooperate, but there will come a time…when such orthopedic methods are seen to be producing no results, and then the Spiritual Surgeon breaks down forcibly the adhesions of the soul which are preventing growth…There is no substitute for discrimination, sound judgment, and adequate knowledge.”
I believe this might be the difference between “Love/Light” as compassion (4D) and “Light/Love” as wisdom (5D). Even Ra says, “The practice of magical workings demands the most rigorous honesty” (Book IV, page 37) and further “The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross” (Book IV, page 71). RA takes up the issue of balancing compassion and wisdom on page 93 of Book IV, noting that “there are many subtleties to which the adept may give careful consideration…Love and wisdom…are faces of the same coin” not a progression from a lower to a higher sphere of understanding.
But when I think of the STS path, I think of those who are willing to coerce and control others, to harm and exploit others for their own benefit--deliberately and consciously choosing to supress the truth that they know inside: The "Other-self" is as much "Creator" as they are. Not wanting to be "entangled" and reach out in service is not the same thing as seeking others out to vampirize them, nor do I believe it to be a question of emotion vs. logic. It is logical to respect others as well as self if one knows all are part of the Creator.
Further, all love is somewhat conditional here. It is part of the 3D experience. Root chakra makes sure of that. We typically cannot be free of it.
I'm curious about how you would see participation in this forum as beneficial to you. It is "social" and predominantly "love-based." Why would you want to share your views and your path? How do you see this as self-oriented service? Or are you hoping for converts?
I guess I don't see the desire for freedom and independence as "negative". Eventually the adept must be impersonal in all his or her doings--even in the relationship to self. This will seem "evil" to some because it breaks through the predictable ties upon which society relies (the experience of the Matrix of the Spirit (p. 50 of Book IV or session #80.10).
Here are a few other thoughts on the balance of Love and Wisdom from a source I trust:
“Different souls are at different stages of evolution. At one time mankind was of the grade of evolution of the plants today; and there are still a very great many souls which are at the level of evolution of the animals…but the greater majority of mankind, in civilized countries, have drawn clear of this stage…and are in a transition stage between being completely Group ruled and being individualized. Towards such, compassion needs to be shown; and to them come the Masters of Compassion and those who serve Them, helping those on the painful path of individualization. For when they are in the transition stage they are, in varying degrees helpless and irresponsible, freed from the perfect control of the Group Soul, not yet in full control of their own destinies. To such, God is Love, because the God whom as individuals they adore blindly, takes the place to them of the Group Soul; but to those who have achieved individualization and are responsible for their own destiny, God is Truth, and their need is not compassion, but understanding. …It is only individualized souls that are suitable for initiation, but there are many souls who, in the course of achieving individualization have acquired deformities (I think Ra would say “distortions”)…the correcting of a deformity is painful, and it cannot be helped…We do what we can to mitigate the pain by teaching the sufferer to cooperate, but there will come a time…when such orthopedic methods are seen to be producing no results, and then the Spiritual Surgeon breaks down forcibly the adhesions of the soul which are preventing growth…There is no substitute for discrimination, sound judgment, and adequate knowledge.”
I believe this might be the difference between “Love/Light” as compassion (4D) and “Light/Love” as wisdom (5D). Even Ra says, “The practice of magical workings demands the most rigorous honesty” (Book IV, page 37) and further “The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross” (Book IV, page 71). RA takes up the issue of balancing compassion and wisdom on page 93 of Book IV, noting that “there are many subtleties to which the adept may give careful consideration…Love and wisdom…are faces of the same coin” not a progression from a lower to a higher sphere of understanding.
But when I think of the STS path, I think of those who are willing to coerce and control others, to harm and exploit others for their own benefit--deliberately and consciously choosing to supress the truth that they know inside: The "Other-self" is as much "Creator" as they are. Not wanting to be "entangled" and reach out in service is not the same thing as seeking others out to vampirize them, nor do I believe it to be a question of emotion vs. logic. It is logical to respect others as well as self if one knows all are part of the Creator.
Further, all love is somewhat conditional here. It is part of the 3D experience. Root chakra makes sure of that. We typically cannot be free of it.
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