2007.03.25 The Female Orgasm

[Monica]

So sorry for causing friction Monica. First of all I know you to be a very reasonable woman. I don't believe you look down on men. I don't think you have any ill will in the matter at all.. And it is certainly not you I hold accountable for any of this.

Thank you!

On a side note when we speak of history I speak of the past 100 thousand years you're speaking about the last 7 thousand years.. The past 7 millennia had less influence on the psychology of man.

Ah, that explains some of the discrepancies. This planet has a long history, with many different planetary cultures. There is a wide variety of experiences throughout history.

Whats important is how things where much further back.

Are you suggesting that the more recent history is less important?

If so, I disagree. I think it's all important, but if anything, the more recent history is a better reflection of where we're at now. We have to take into consideration that humans have been evolving (presumably).

But I'm fairly certain that there is at least a subconscious belief in the ideas I'm raging against.

Well, you're wrong. (I can say "you're wrong" when you're referring to something about me personally.)

You are expressing them...

No, I'm not. I'm not expressing any such thing. You've misunderstood me.

You're quite clearly in unquestioning agreement with the statistics, which show behavior, not intrinsic values. And which also show a different picture when we make women equals in those relationships.

Ali, I'm laughing at the absurdity of this. I'm never in "unquestioning agreement" with any statistics. There is an old saying, "figures don't lie but liars can figure." Of course statistics can be skewed, misrepresented, etc. All of that must be taken into consideration.

But neither should they be disregarded.

So I offer statistics as informational only. Yes, I do think those particular statistics backed up my point at the time, which is why I posted them. But I don't need statistics to know that, in my own lifetime, until recent years, it was much more common for men to cheat on their wives than for women to cheat on their husbands.

The trend is going in the direction of balancing out. And I agree that the statistics will be different when viewing a segment of the sample, such as women in positions of power vs. women in subservient roles. But this, too, backs up my point about women taking on traditionally 'male' characteristics (such as wearing a 'suit' and cutting their hair short) in order to be taken seriously in the corporate world.

I could use those very same statistics to further back up my point that women might be actually suppressing their inherent feminine characteristics, in their efforts to be more 'man-like' and this, in my opinion, is a disservice to who they are as women. It's not liberation; it's the opposite - it's trying to emulate men instead of finding their own power as women.

In contrast to what you mistakenly thought about my views, I'm actually quite a strong feminist, Ali. In my view, it's not liberation at all for women to enter the man's world and try to be like men. No, true liberation of the female would be honoring feminine power, instead of copying male power.

I contend that both men and women have their respective power, but the qualities of said powers are very different.

You're in agreement with the idea that women somehow have to educate men in how to use their higher chakras.

No. That's not what I said.

Both sexes affect the other. Both can offer healing, catalyst, and opportunities for activation to the other. But the ways in which they do that may be different.

And you're in agreement with the idea that men have different intrinsic motivations for sex. That men want to procreate as often as possible. While this is not the case for women...

No. Quite the opposite: It's usually women whose biological clocks start ticking before men's...women who want babies, and they drag their husbands along kicking and screaming.

Sorry. That was a stereotype. Couldn't resist.

No, men don't want to "procreate as much as possible." But their biological drive, powered by higher testosterone levels, must be taken into consideration.

You speak from the same patriarchal values that we both dislike but that were imposed upon our society.

Surely you're not actually saying what you seem to be saying? Please tell me you're not saying I have patriarchal values...?

Before they were imposed there was a far greater amount of equality. Women were not the spoils of war for the vast majority of human evolution. Women were valued tribesmen who held quite a lot of power.

Yes, this is true. But women being the spoils of war is also true. Both occurred throughout history.

*I* held the same beliefs and values. So I don't hold any blame. I merely hope to show that these beliefs are so common that we hardly see them any more.

Respectfully, Ali, you're beginning to sound condescending. I've already told you that you have misunderstood me. To continue to insist that I think a certain way, when I already told you I don't and tried to better explain my position, is both laughable and insulting.