2007.03.25 The Female Orgasm

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What I was referring to which you answer above, is your statement where you say that your interpretation of Ra is that it is women's responsibility

Apparently it's the word responsibility that is causing this reaction. How about sacred task? Or sacred opportunity?

No, Monica. What caused my personal reaction is that it could be interpreted, by reading your post, that women have a spiritual connection, and have to help men to evolve from mere lust, and reach higher centers from the lower. And that it would be something that Ra said.

This discussion is, in my mind, a continuation of the other thread I linked to. Much was said in that thread that is on the surface of my mind, that might not be clear to others coming into this new conversation. I apologize for forgetting that there may be gaps in the conversation.

In the other thread, there was much discussion about porn and women's role in it, and the spiritual implications of that. This is all I will say here. The other thread delves more deeply into this, and might explain why I said what I did.

We are discussing Q'uo quote here about female orgasm, not porn. Then you said that women have to guide men to reach higher centers from mere lust.

I got it! Perhaps the misunderstanding/confusion is in: since we are discussing female orgasm, you talk about females only, meaning that - females guide men to reach higher centers from the lower ones. While you of course mean that this applies to both sexes? That both help, guide and aid each other to reach higher centers leaving lower ones behind. But since we are talking about females here, you said that it was female's responsibility, while it is in fact a responsibility/honor of both?

Surely. But we know from the material that there is a difference in their energies, so it makes sense to me that, while culture does play a role, a lot of it is indeed nature. It's part of the design, apparently. I don't think it's sexist to acknowledge that. We don't have to go to great lengths to minimize the differences, when Ra and Q'uo have just stated that there are differences.

Perhaps it is not the differences that are stated in Ra and Q'uo that bothered me, but other's interpretations of them. All are entitled to their own "truth". Got it! =)

I do not see anywhere myself that either Ra or Q'uo refers to this being a woman's responsibility.

...That it is a responsibility of both, to guide each other into the sacred moments in intimate expressions.

Are you saying you do think it's a responsibility, but Ra/Q'uo didn't say that? If so, then we're saying the same thing.

What I said is that I don't see anywhere that Ra or Q'uo states that as women's responsibility (only)=that there is anything in either material that says that "it is women's responsibility to guide men from mere lust, or lower centers, to the spiritual expression of sexuality".

I totally agree with you in the above statement. What I disagree with you, as I've already stated, is the statement where you said that it is women's responsibility to guide men from mere lust in lower centers, to spiritual expression of it. I totally agree though, that it is a responsibility/honor of both sexes.

I thought I clarified in an earlier post that both sexes have responsibilities, once they are consciously working on the relationship.

We're really not disagreeing here.

Awesome! So when you said that it's women's responsibility to guide men from lower centers to higher, you meant that it is also men's responsibility to guide women in the same direction?

[EDIT: This post is not visible for me, but it seems to be here when I am trying to edit it. ]

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I give up now. I can't seem to make my post visible...

Yay! \0/ Thanks, Monica!