12-08-2009, 06:50 AM
Monica, do you want a real answer or continue to believe your chosen vaccination beliefs? Because I can go away and ignore this topic if you prefer. And I'm sensing we're on a collision course. You're heavily invested in this topic, and I don't agree with you, also I'm a stubborn git. I'm not going to agree with you unless you come with really eye opening science that somehow makes all the other facts evaporate.
The video you showed (or at least the first part of it) is so full of nonsense that I really can't get through the first part. I don't think I'll be able to watch all of it.
If I missed anything you consider important or smoking gun material, specific please tell me the specific video and the time to check so I can check it. I get too angry watching the video, I don't like being lied to in this manner (combination of emotion with misinformation), and I don't have the time or desire to debunk it line by line.
The measles graph kind of drop kicked me to the ground. It's a blatant lie. First of all, it clearly lists "Death rates" and shows they have been going down. Yeah, measles are a life threatening disease only in the most primitive of countries. So as the house doctor became available to most people death rates declined drastically... The prevalence of the disease did however not decrease 90% as is clearly visible from the following table. And the brain damage that is caused by measles is conveniently not mentioned in your video. Long term brain damage as a complication is not very common in measles. But it still happens more than with the vaccin.
http://www.census.gov/prod/99pubs/99statab/sec31.pdf
If you look at page 875 there is a "Specified reportable diseases" that clearly shows that the 90% reduction suggested in your video is either utter nonsense or at least does not relate to prevalence.
Vaccines are supposed to reduce prevalence. And you see a clear drop around 1965 when the vaccination became mainstream.
But of course, this is yet another example of the government lying to us?
Whooping cough is the exact same situation. The decrease in prevalence is clear. And again the nice people in the video are clearly misrepresenting it.
Also FYI Pubmed is a collection database, it's not a "source" as you call it, it contains evidence for homeopathy, evidence for vaccines. Even evidence for bigfoot, telepathy, telekinesis and what not. It doesn't sound very selective to me.
But it doesn't matter, it wasn't my only "source" as you assumed. This anti vaccination stuff has been going mainstream for a little while now. I've been following it for over a year, including the blacklash of the increase in avoidable diseases in Australia. I had my moments of doubt but they really don't stand the test of scrutiny.
I'm sorry but in spite of "popular" opinion vaccination DOES work. CDC, WHO and the like are still a bunch unethical bastards stealing from the world and betraying the trust the worlds nations place in them. But vaccination still works.
The video you showed (or at least the first part of it) is so full of nonsense that I really can't get through the first part. I don't think I'll be able to watch all of it.
If I missed anything you consider important or smoking gun material, specific please tell me the specific video and the time to check so I can check it. I get too angry watching the video, I don't like being lied to in this manner (combination of emotion with misinformation), and I don't have the time or desire to debunk it line by line.
The measles graph kind of drop kicked me to the ground. It's a blatant lie. First of all, it clearly lists "Death rates" and shows they have been going down. Yeah, measles are a life threatening disease only in the most primitive of countries. So as the house doctor became available to most people death rates declined drastically... The prevalence of the disease did however not decrease 90% as is clearly visible from the following table. And the brain damage that is caused by measles is conveniently not mentioned in your video. Long term brain damage as a complication is not very common in measles. But it still happens more than with the vaccin.
http://www.census.gov/prod/99pubs/99statab/sec31.pdf
If you look at page 875 there is a "Specified reportable diseases" that clearly shows that the 90% reduction suggested in your video is either utter nonsense or at least does not relate to prevalence.
Vaccines are supposed to reduce prevalence. And you see a clear drop around 1965 when the vaccination became mainstream.
But of course, this is yet another example of the government lying to us?
Whooping cough is the exact same situation. The decrease in prevalence is clear. And again the nice people in the video are clearly misrepresenting it.
Also FYI Pubmed is a collection database, it's not a "source" as you call it, it contains evidence for homeopathy, evidence for vaccines. Even evidence for bigfoot, telepathy, telekinesis and what not. It doesn't sound very selective to me.
But it doesn't matter, it wasn't my only "source" as you assumed. This anti vaccination stuff has been going mainstream for a little while now. I've been following it for over a year, including the blacklash of the increase in avoidable diseases in Australia. I had my moments of doubt but they really don't stand the test of scrutiny.
I'm sorry but in spite of "popular" opinion vaccination DOES work. CDC, WHO and the like are still a bunch unethical bastards stealing from the world and betraying the trust the worlds nations place in them. But vaccination still works.