03-16-2012, 01:10 PM
Hey Shin'Ar,
I have observed some very harsh and judgemental language coming from you on many posts on this forum where there has been disagreement. I have no right to demand anything at all from you, but I would like to ask you, respectfully, to please make the attempt to communicate with others here in a more respectful and loving manner when you disagree with them. Please.
I cannot speak for her, but I think Ankh has observed you 'duking it out' with several people who disagreed with you. This has been my observation as well. From what I have observed, even in disagreeable threads, she always tries hard to be respectful and answer questions, as do the vast majority of posters here. But sometimes the other party does not like the answers. That doesn't mean you haven't been answered, it's just that not everyone agrees with your point of view. Not everyone agrees with mine, either, and that's perfectly OK. Nobody here needs to be saved.
I find it ironic that you allege sarcasm in others in a post where you include several sarcastic comments directed towards others. Alas, this is more proof we are all One. We are mirrors for eachother, indeed. Have you considered that perhaps your annoyance with the sarcasm and evasion of questions is because these are qualities in yourself that you do not like? In my own life, I've found that the things that most irritate me in others are the very things I need to work on myself. Could this perhaps be a case of the log in our own eye being of more worthy concern than the speck in our brother's?
Honestly, I have seriously wondered at times if you're actually trying to cause these arguments or if it's completely unintended. Is it intentional? I feel like you are well-intentioned and positive, but given the sheer amount of argumentation, I have considered other possibilities. Or is perhaps your forceful and proselytizing style simply having the same virtual effect here that religious groups who knock on doors with pamphlets have on the general public?
Since you brought this topic up, of evading answers, it reminded me of a thread where I had asked you some direct questions that you never answered. Since you seem to be advocating straight, honest answers to questions, I'd like to ask them again here as well as a couple others I thought up. Would you mind answering them honestly and directly?
Most of them are very simple or yes/no questions.
1) You mentioned there was something in the Ra material where Ra had deliberately used deception in order to spread the Law of One. Can you please point me to this passage? I asked once before but did not receive a reply.
2) My belief, based on reading your posts, is that your basic spiritual foundation lies in the teachings of Jon Peniel. As such, I am curious if you were aware, before I pointed it out in the other thread, of the connections with the Source Family group and the subsequent false story/allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book by Jon Peniel?
3) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis information, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated within Jon Peniel's work? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the source that Jon pulled it from.
4) What is your intention in participating in this forum, ie, what is your purpose here as you see it?
5) Are you a member of a spiritual group founded by Jon Peniel?
6) Are you associated in any way with the person or people who created and maintain this website:
http://www.atlantis.to/
7) Do you believe that you have anything to learn FROM us? Or are you only here to Teach TO us?
I would appreciate answers to these, as I am genuinely curious about you. We have tried to welcome you as a Brother, and I feel like it is still possible for you to integrate into our motley community and really add value to our discussions. It just seems like things are going off the rails lately......
Love to all
I have observed some very harsh and judgemental language coming from you on many posts on this forum where there has been disagreement. I have no right to demand anything at all from you, but I would like to ask you, respectfully, to please make the attempt to communicate with others here in a more respectful and loving manner when you disagree with them. Please.
(03-16-2012, 10:19 AM)ShinAr Wrote: For some reason Ankh feels like she has been duking it out with me. If by that she means that she is bothered by the way that I insist in straight and honest answers to questions, than I will just have to avoid asking her and any others like her questions so they will not have to feel pressed to discuss in fullness of disclosure. Sorry that I have been such a bother to you. I will be more cautious when I speak in your general vicinity.
I cannot speak for her, but I think Ankh has observed you 'duking it out' with several people who disagreed with you. This has been my observation as well. From what I have observed, even in disagreeable threads, she always tries hard to be respectful and answer questions, as do the vast majority of posters here. But sometimes the other party does not like the answers. That doesn't mean you haven't been answered, it's just that not everyone agrees with your point of view. Not everyone agrees with mine, either, and that's perfectly OK. Nobody here needs to be saved.
I find it ironic that you allege sarcasm in others in a post where you include several sarcastic comments directed towards others. Alas, this is more proof we are all One. We are mirrors for eachother, indeed. Have you considered that perhaps your annoyance with the sarcasm and evasion of questions is because these are qualities in yourself that you do not like? In my own life, I've found that the things that most irritate me in others are the very things I need to work on myself. Could this perhaps be a case of the log in our own eye being of more worthy concern than the speck in our brother's?
Honestly, I have seriously wondered at times if you're actually trying to cause these arguments or if it's completely unintended. Is it intentional? I feel like you are well-intentioned and positive, but given the sheer amount of argumentation, I have considered other possibilities. Or is perhaps your forceful and proselytizing style simply having the same virtual effect here that religious groups who knock on doors with pamphlets have on the general public?
Since you brought this topic up, of evading answers, it reminded me of a thread where I had asked you some direct questions that you never answered. Since you seem to be advocating straight, honest answers to questions, I'd like to ask them again here as well as a couple others I thought up. Would you mind answering them honestly and directly?
Most of them are very simple or yes/no questions.
1) You mentioned there was something in the Ra material where Ra had deliberately used deception in order to spread the Law of One. Can you please point me to this passage? I asked once before but did not receive a reply.
2) My belief, based on reading your posts, is that your basic spiritual foundation lies in the teachings of Jon Peniel. As such, I am curious if you were aware, before I pointed it out in the other thread, of the connections with the Source Family group and the subsequent false story/allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book by Jon Peniel?
3) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis information, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated within Jon Peniel's work? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the source that Jon pulled it from.
4) What is your intention in participating in this forum, ie, what is your purpose here as you see it?
5) Are you a member of a spiritual group founded by Jon Peniel?
6) Are you associated in any way with the person or people who created and maintain this website:
http://www.atlantis.to/
7) Do you believe that you have anything to learn FROM us? Or are you only here to Teach TO us?
I would appreciate answers to these, as I am genuinely curious about you. We have tried to welcome you as a Brother, and I feel like it is still possible for you to integrate into our motley community and really add value to our discussions. It just seems like things are going off the rails lately......
Love to all
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