03-16-2012, 11:29 PM
1) You mentioned there was something in the Ra material where Ra had deliberately used deception in order to spread the Law of One. Can you please point me to this passage? I asked once before but did not receive a reply.
Sorry but I cannot bother to go through the entire book to find that. I just recall reading it.
2) My belief, based on reading your posts, is that your basic spiritual foundation lies in the teachings of Jon Peniel. As such, I am curious if you were aware, before I pointed it out in the other thread, of the connections with the Source Family group and the subsequent false story/allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book by Jon Peniel?
I was not aware of that hippy group that you spoke of. I am aware of Peniel's teachings and find them to be in line with much of my own understandings although there are certain aspects that I would have to say remain questionable because of the inability to prove them one way or the other.
3) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis information, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated within Jon Peniel's work? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the source that Jon pulled it from.
No. My understanding is that the assumption on his part is based upon his attempt at logically surmising the things that we do know from the ancient teachings. But, you do have to admit that there is much evidence to suggest what he teaches to be quite possible.
4) What is your intention in participating in this forum, ie, what is your purpose here as you see it?
One night while in meditative trance I was called upon by another field. In my state I was already connected to another, and through that connection I was taken to this calling. I follow my gnostic intuition as I always do, and seek to discover why I was led to this place. In the course of that seeking I confront that which I experience by doing what I think is the right thing to do, as I have always done. What I am finding is that there seems to be a problem in this community with regard to some member's understanding of STS, and the fact that the Ra material is too complex for some to really grasp. I have no desire to preach any particular religious doctrine. I simply respond to the discussions with what is in my heart, just as everyone else here does. However I do respect the fact that this community is based around the teaching of Ra, and so seeing a problem with regard to that teaching, specifically STS and people's inability to grasp it, this becomes the focus of my attention. This may be the reason I was called here. Although I will say that there are a couple of particular people I have found here that may also be the reason I was led here.
5) Are you a member of a spiritual group founded by Jon Peniel?
Not likely!
6) Are you associated in any way with the person or people who created and maintain this website:
http://www.atlantis.to/
Not in any way.
7) Do you believe that you have anything to learn FROM us? Or are you only here to Teach TO us?
I do not believe that anyone can lay claim to truth, because the only true way to seek after it is to be completely open to abandoning which you thought may have been truth, for new revelations of truth as they appear. Any other method leaves one closed minded to new opportunities of increasing knowledge, and the acquisition of truth.
Here is an excerpt from something I wrote about ten years ago which best explains my thoughts on this matter:
"We come here with open minds in search of truth we could not find elsewhere. The spiritual teachings of some of the great prophets and teachers throughout history sometimes seem to meet with the aspects of creation that we deem logical to our way of thinking. But as seemingly truthful as any teaching may seem to be, we must always discern them with an open mind, to be sure that we are not becoming complacent to applying logic in our discerning of the truth from deception or mistake. Intellect and wisdom promote open mindedness that evades the confining nature of delusion and traditional deceits. The eye of the mind must always be open, never tiring and becoming lazy, to allow the light of truth in to overwhelm the darkness of blindness. To have an open mind one must always be receptive to external thought other than one's own, even to criticism of things one has already learned. For if one has been misled, misguided or misinformed, than how would one ever correct that mistake. To have an open mind one must be willing to be proven wrong, which means that one must almost never attain a certainty of anything. For should one be wrong, and the truth professed to him afterward, his certainty becomes the closed mind that blinds him once again. We must always be receptive, and then discerning."
Now I am really not sure why you have such an issue with my desire to learn about your interpretations of the Ra material, or why you seem to think I am affiliated with this hippy group you keep talking about, but I have answered your questions in full honesty and hope that you can somehow find it in your heart to just accept my sincere intentions to try to confront what I see as an issue that should be thorougly discussed here in this community, without feeling attacked by the inquiry or what someone esle may have to say on the matter just because it may question what you have accepted as valid.
Sorry but I cannot bother to go through the entire book to find that. I just recall reading it.
2) My belief, based on reading your posts, is that your basic spiritual foundation lies in the teachings of Jon Peniel. As such, I am curious if you were aware, before I pointed it out in the other thread, of the connections with the Source Family group and the subsequent false story/allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book by Jon Peniel?
I was not aware of that hippy group that you spoke of. I am aware of Peniel's teachings and find them to be in line with much of my own understandings although there are certain aspects that I would have to say remain questionable because of the inability to prove them one way or the other.
3) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis information, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated within Jon Peniel's work? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the source that Jon pulled it from.
No. My understanding is that the assumption on his part is based upon his attempt at logically surmising the things that we do know from the ancient teachings. But, you do have to admit that there is much evidence to suggest what he teaches to be quite possible.
4) What is your intention in participating in this forum, ie, what is your purpose here as you see it?
One night while in meditative trance I was called upon by another field. In my state I was already connected to another, and through that connection I was taken to this calling. I follow my gnostic intuition as I always do, and seek to discover why I was led to this place. In the course of that seeking I confront that which I experience by doing what I think is the right thing to do, as I have always done. What I am finding is that there seems to be a problem in this community with regard to some member's understanding of STS, and the fact that the Ra material is too complex for some to really grasp. I have no desire to preach any particular religious doctrine. I simply respond to the discussions with what is in my heart, just as everyone else here does. However I do respect the fact that this community is based around the teaching of Ra, and so seeing a problem with regard to that teaching, specifically STS and people's inability to grasp it, this becomes the focus of my attention. This may be the reason I was called here. Although I will say that there are a couple of particular people I have found here that may also be the reason I was led here.
5) Are you a member of a spiritual group founded by Jon Peniel?
Not likely!
6) Are you associated in any way with the person or people who created and maintain this website:
http://www.atlantis.to/
Not in any way.
7) Do you believe that you have anything to learn FROM us? Or are you only here to Teach TO us?
I do not believe that anyone can lay claim to truth, because the only true way to seek after it is to be completely open to abandoning which you thought may have been truth, for new revelations of truth as they appear. Any other method leaves one closed minded to new opportunities of increasing knowledge, and the acquisition of truth.
Here is an excerpt from something I wrote about ten years ago which best explains my thoughts on this matter:
"We come here with open minds in search of truth we could not find elsewhere. The spiritual teachings of some of the great prophets and teachers throughout history sometimes seem to meet with the aspects of creation that we deem logical to our way of thinking. But as seemingly truthful as any teaching may seem to be, we must always discern them with an open mind, to be sure that we are not becoming complacent to applying logic in our discerning of the truth from deception or mistake. Intellect and wisdom promote open mindedness that evades the confining nature of delusion and traditional deceits. The eye of the mind must always be open, never tiring and becoming lazy, to allow the light of truth in to overwhelm the darkness of blindness. To have an open mind one must always be receptive to external thought other than one's own, even to criticism of things one has already learned. For if one has been misled, misguided or misinformed, than how would one ever correct that mistake. To have an open mind one must be willing to be proven wrong, which means that one must almost never attain a certainty of anything. For should one be wrong, and the truth professed to him afterward, his certainty becomes the closed mind that blinds him once again. We must always be receptive, and then discerning."
Now I am really not sure why you have such an issue with my desire to learn about your interpretations of the Ra material, or why you seem to think I am affiliated with this hippy group you keep talking about, but I have answered your questions in full honesty and hope that you can somehow find it in your heart to just accept my sincere intentions to try to confront what I see as an issue that should be thorougly discussed here in this community, without feeling attacked by the inquiry or what someone esle may have to say on the matter just because it may question what you have accepted as valid.
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