Confederation IS Orion group???

[Pablísimo]

Hi Shin'Ar,

Thank you so much for taking the time, and having the integrity, to answer my questions. I sincerely appreciate that! I feel like I now have much greater insight into you and what you've been up to on the forum. Greater understanding often leads to greater harmony, and I am grateful to you.

1) You mentioned there was something in the Ra material where Ra had deliberately used deception in order to spread the Law of One. Can you please point me to this passage? I asked once before but did not receive a reply.

Sorry but I cannot bother to go through the entire book to find that. I just recall reading it.

Based on this, and your subsequent replies to others in this thread on this quote, I conclude that you were most likely mistaken about finding intentional deception in the Ra material. This is yet another indicator that you have not studied the source material to which this forum is dedicated in great detail. While there is no reason that anyone has to study the material, I think you would find greater familiarity with it to be of aid in discussing a great many concepts in this particular forum, which is dedicated to the L/L Research channelings. I realize that you have been informed by other spiritual sources, as have we all, but please consider the platform upon which you have chosen to share your views with us.

2) My belief, based on reading your posts, is that your basic spiritual foundation lies in the teachings of Jon Peniel. As such, I am curious if you were aware, before I pointed it out in the other thread, of the connections with the Source Family group and the subsequent false story/allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book by Jon Peniel?

I was not aware of that hippy group that you spoke of. I am aware of Peniel's teachings and find them to be in line with much of my own understandings although there are certain aspects that I would have to say remain questionable because of the inability to prove them one way or the other.

In that case, I simply suggest that you take some time and investigate the Source Family and their Teachings. (Note, they do have a name beyond 'that hippy group']. That group is the foundation upon which Jon Peniel wrote his spiritual novel -- truth + fiction. It may enlighten you somewhat about the Jon Peniel teachings that you seem to resonate with. If you don't care to, that's perfectly fine with me, it is merely a suggestion.

3) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis information, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated within Jon Peniel's work? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the source that Jon pulled it from.

No. My understanding is that the assumption on his part is based upon his attempt at logically surmising the things that we do know from the ancient teachings. But, you do have to admit that there is much evidence to suggest what he teaches to be quite possible.

To be honest with you, I found his work to be of mixed polarity. Some things did make sense and resonate with me, and some things did not. I find the Humanimals/Atlantis topics to be some of the most improbable bits of the work. However, I thought it would be useful to investigate Jon's source material in the same way I found it useful to study the Source Family to understand Jon's teachings. It would be nice if he had clearly labeled things, and I thought perhaps you might have found it. No problem that you haven't.. if I really need the information, somehow it will come to me, as it always does.

4) What is your intention in participating in this forum, ie, what is your purpose here as you see it?

One night while in meditative trance I was called upon by another field. In my state I was already connected to another, and through that connection I was taken to this calling. I follow my gnostic intuition as I always do, and seek to discover why I was led to this place. In the course of that seeking I confront that which I experience by doing what I think is the right thing to do, as I have always done. What I am finding is that there seems to be a problem in this community with regard to some member's understanding of STS, and the fact that the Ra material is too complex for some to really grasp. I have no desire to preach any particular religious doctrine. I simply respond to the discussions with what is in my heart, just as everyone else here does. However I do respect the fact that this community is based around the teaching of Ra, and so seeing a problem with regard to that teaching, specifically STS and people's inability to grasp it, this becomes the focus of my attention. This may be the reason I was called here. Although I will say that there are a couple of particular people I have found
here that may also be the reason I was led here.

This is a most interesting response. I thank you again for your candor. In keeping with that candor, I would like to suggest again, purely for consideration that when one refuses to accept another part of Creation, when one has an "Enemy", when one hates anything -- including the darkness, it can create heart blockages. People with heart blockages are ripe for manipulation by STS entities. This forum is a great source of Love & Light and thus a prime target for such entities. I sincerely hope that you are not being manipulated. It's impossible to tell, of course, but were I in your shoes I would at least consider the possibility that whatever "called" me here was not the sincere seekers on this forum.

That said, I doubt that's all that's happening. Here's my theory on what's happening here. It's just a theory, so please toss it aside if you don't find it useful.

What I think is happening is twofold. I think you are on the one hand here to help inform and enlighten some folks who have a simplistic view of the STS polarity. I sincerely think you are helping some of the people that read your words to better understand. However, simultaneously, I think you are here to LEARN a more balanced and expansive view of the STS polarity yourself. Just as you understand some angles of this issue that others on here do not, so too do others have a greater understanding than your more simplistic view of the STS polarity. In the amazing way the universe works, you are uniquely qualified and uniquely handicapped in the same way. Thus the perfection of Creation in giving us our Teachers and our Students shows up once again.

Yes, that's right, I think you are simultaneously teaching some of us while also learning some extremely important lessons from some others of us. And on the very same topic!!! You are a teacher with good information, but also a student who badly needs to learn your own lesson. It's called Learn/Teaching.

Basically, what I think you've done is this

...You look through the window of our forum. You saw in it some kindergartners chatting and playing, and so assumed that this was a kindergarten.

...So you charge through the door and start educating these youngsters about their folly!

....Some of them really, really need to hear it. The trouble is... you are so wrapped up in your sermons that you haven't stopped to properly look around the room.

...The kindergartners are a small group who are welcome to play here, but there aren't many of them. No, the vast majority of people in the room are actually........

ADVANCED UNIVERSITY STUDENTS!!!!!!

And you just haven't noticed yet. It's actually kind of funny, in a way. These very folks have much to teach YOU, as well as learn FROM you. But you must approach us as equals if you wish to be taken seriously.

5) Are you a member of a spiritual group founded by Jon Peniel?

Not likely!

I apologize, but I am confused by the response. Is that a No? Or a Yes?

6) Are you associated in any way with the person or people who created and maintain this website:
http://www.atlantis.to/

Not in any way.

Thanks for that clarification!!!! Sincerely!!

7) Do you believe that you have anything to learn FROM us? Or are you only here to Teach TO us?

I do not believe that anyone can lay claim to truth, because the only true way to seek after it is to be completely open to abandoning which you thought may have been truth, for new revelations of truth as they appear. Any other method leaves one closed minded to new opportunities of increasing knowledge, and the acquisition of truth.

I notice here that you do not admit that you have anything to learn from us. This is very telling. It is also perfectly OK, but I think your quote below is very good:

Here is an excerpt from something I wrote about ten years ago which best explains my thoughts on this matter:

"We come here with open minds in search of truth we could not find elsewhere. The spiritual teachings of some of the great prophets and teachers throughout history sometimes seem to meet with the aspects of creation that we deem logical to our way of thinking. But as seemingly truthful as any teaching may seem to be, we must always discern them with an open mind, to be sure that we are not becoming complacent to applying logic in our discerning of the truth from deception or mistake. Intellect and wisdom promote open mindedness that evades the confining nature of delusion and traditional deceits. The eye of the mind must always be open, never tiring and becoming lazy, to allow the light of truth in to overwhelm the darkness of blindness. To have an open mind one must always be receptive to external thought other than one's own, even to criticism of things one has already learned. For if one has been misled, misguided or misinformed, than how would one ever correct that mistake. To have an open mind one must be willing to be proven wrong, which means that one must almost never attain a certainty of anything. For should one be wrong, and the truth professed to him afterward, his certainty becomes the closed mind that blinds him once again. We must always be receptive, and then discerning."

Seriously. This is very wise, and this is good advice. I suggest you follow your own words here as they are spot on.

Now I am really not sure why you have such an issue with my desire to learn about your interpretations of the Ra material, or why you seem to think I am affiliated with this hippy group you keep talking about, but I have answered your questions in full honesty and hope that you can somehow find it in your heart to just accept my sincere intentions to try to confront what I see as an issue that should be thorougly discussed here in this community, without feeling attacked by the inquiry or what someone esle may have to say on the matter just because it may question what you have accepted as valid.

As you have been indeed been very open and honest with me, I will do the same for you.

I do not believe you are a member the Source Family, as I have clarified several times already. However I believe that your primary spiritual source material was heavily influenced by that group, and thus you should be aware of them and perhaps even investigate their Teachings to greater inform yourself. There is also an element of deception in Jon Peniel's work as he made up stories about Tibet as an allegory for his time in The Source Family. This is relevant to me, but if you do not feel it relevant then by all means let it fall aside.

I also don't feel attacked or threatened in any way by you questioning things that we have accepted as valid. This happens every single day, and is a very beneficial thing. It behooves us all to not be too rigid in our views and to be open minded.

The real reason your storm of posting on the topic bothers me is what I see as rude and unfriendly dialogue. I have observed you arguing with others on several threads and your words come across to me as condescending, as preachy, as rude, and as disrespectful to the other self.

If you treat others with Love and Respect as you disagree with them, then I have no issue whatsoever with you.

It really is that simple. I'm not threatened by your ideas, but I AM bothered by mistreatment of others. I watched this situation get out of hand and cause real problems with some previous "Gurus of the week" we had, and so I decided that this time I was going to actually speak up on it. We all have free will to believe or not believe whatever we want. But you know, it really is possible to simply disagree with someone while still honoring them, and their own views, as your equal.

Love to all,