Confederation IS Orion group???

[Pablísimo]

Pablissimo,

Thank you for your time. It is much effort you put into trying to get your point across to me about what you feel.

However, how is it that you can passionately express yourself, and yet you deny me the same?

Not at all! By all means express yourself as much as you like. I just think it can be done a bit more respectfully.

The only difference between what you are doing and myself is that you seem to think I have been rude in some situations.

That is true, that is my opinion as well.

In a thread where one is responding to particular posts it might seem that, but I assure you that I have neither been personally insulting, because I never am, nor what I would define as rude. There was disagreement, but it did not lead to any of the comments that one would usually define as rude. I think you percieve it as rudeness because it is colored by your opinion of what you call preachers and gurus.

My impressions are subjective. If you don't agree with them, that's totally your right. I spoke up because the lack of respect for others bothered me. I could be mistaken both in your intent and execution.

But what if there is some truth to what I say? It is worth pondering...

With regard to the Ra material let me ask you if you knew a Biblical scholar would you expect them to be able to recount a specific passage off the top of their heads? Would you demand that if they could not that they must go in search of it to prove a point? This is NOT the Strictly Law of One thread and so it is open to other topics. this one being specifcally about Orion.

No. However, in this thread you complained directly about people not answering your questions in another thread. You also complained about sarcasm while being sarcastic towards others.

And thus, since you had ignored my direct questions in another thread and the rudeness was wearing on me, I spoke up.

However, in regards to the passage about Ra.. .it's not just any passage. You basically alleged that there was a passage in the Ra Material that said
Ra had intentionally used deception in order to convey the Law of One. You brought this up because I objected to Jon Peniel using deception in his teaching of his understanding of the Law of One.

To say that Ra has done this in the Material is pretty explosive, considering that to use deception to transmit the Law of One is directly opposite to their own stated philosophy! Such a quote is unlikely exist because it is the very opposite of what they taught. I don't expect you to be able to quote chapter and verse. But if you're going to come into an L/L forum and claim that one of the primary teachers of Confederation philosophy, Ra, used deception to convey the message, I think it reasonable to insist that you provide some sort of evidence. It's not a bit of esoterica we're talking about here, such a quote would be an antithesis of the teachings. Thus I very much wanted to investigate your claim. Unless you can find the quote, then I suggest that you are simply mistaken about its existence.

I think ANY teacher transmitting the Law of One through lies or deception should be looked upon with greater discernment. I consider Ra to be great teachers and thus would like very much to know about it if deception truly had been used.

I have read Book One four times and have some recall of what I have read and studied. That I cannot pinpoint every passage does not mean that I want to go back and search the entire book for again.

I hope you can understand the difference between pinpointing every passage and being able to back up the claim that Ra used deception to transmit their message. I'm surprised you've read it that many times based on your posts. But if you do re-read it in the future, and find the passage, please let me know.

You are right in that STS was the factor which caught my eyes here. Service to self is a tool used by the dark ones to manipulate us. I have known that for a long time. However I do not judge those who I bring that message to by their degree of kindergarten or advanced abilities as you seem to do. It is my understanding that a person would have to be extremely arrogant to claim thay they are advanced given the countless higher beings that have gone on before us and the vastness of the universe in which we exist.

I tried to use the rough analogy with the kindergartners, but it seems that it missed the mark. Basically what I'm trying to suggest is that you have just as much to learn about this topic of STS polarity as you have to teach others. There are different levels of understanding, and some humility would go a long way towards learning that which you need and would also help you better convey that which you need to teach.

That's all I meant. You're trying to TEACH the very people that you need to LEARN something from. At the same time you're teaching those who do need your teachings. You just only seem to be aware of one side of the process.... at least, that's my subjective impression.

Yes, I am here to teach and learn. I understand this well and it is the path I have been on for a lifetime. As for my sources of information, I am mostly gnostic in that regard. If I had to classify myself according to the teachings that I most resonate to, I consider myself a Druid Magi. And that has nothing to do with the terminologies used by today's druid reconstructionists. That would be based solely on my own interpretation of what the true Druids and Magi were. I certainly did not read Peniel's work and begin a crusade according to his teachings. His are but a long list of readings and teachings that I have acquired. And I always discern them according to how they fit into the puzzle I am piecing together. if they fit I do not care who or what they come from. Which is why I can say that I have learned from the darkness as well. There are pieces to the puzzle that have been added from my understanding of that as well.

Thank you very much for the additional information about your background and your feelings towards Peniel. Perhaps it is because you use his terminology so frequently that I came to my earlier conclusions.

In any case, thank you for clarifying.

I do not hate the Dark Ones, I beware them. I do not fear them, I try to avoid them. But we are all caught up in the systems they have established and lord over us. They know exactly what they do, as do you. Ignoring it or pretendiung that their actions and affects on this world are just brotherly opposites is not applying intelligence toward their reality, or wisdom on one's path to the Light.

Are you sure you don't fear them? Are you sure that you don't hate them? That's not the impression I've gotten from reading your words on this forum.

It may well be that despicable though there acts are, that they play a very important part in the evolution of other souls. There is a role for the STS polarity to play in the grand dance of creation. You don't have to agree with me on this, but it is worth considering.

I see Zaxon, one who is clearly dedicated to the darkness, has just commented that your hatred and fear of the dark side is a delicacy.

It's worth pondering that....

The wisdom is in becoming aware, making one's choices based upon awareness, and than striving to follow the path of wisdom rather then the path of apathy.

I am in the process of putting together a webiste which includes all that I have managed to piece together in this path. I think that if you choose to visit all of your questions about my path will be fully answered there. i will post a link to it and an invite to all when it is ready.

I would very much like to read that when you're done with it. I do feel I have some things to learn from you as well.

Now I believe we have gotten off topic and will be hearing from the Mods.

Honestly, I think you've brought up the STS polarity topic in a wide range of threads, and I don't see our latest exchange as off-topic.

If the mods disagree, they'll just move the posts or split into a new thread. They'll also send one or both of us an exceedingly nice request to stay on topic. They are very fair and reasonable, I'm not concerned about what actions they may take.

But I do feel it was important to share these perspectives with you. I thank you, Brother, for your openness and honesty in sharing your perspective with me. For what it's worth, I've found your conduct towards me in these posts to be very respectful, and I truly appreciate that.

Please do keep shining your Light around here -- just please try to be careful not to burn others with your light. Oh, and you might find if you give your eyes time to adjust to the Light that is already in this forum, that you will find yourself among equals.

Love to all