03-25-2012, 07:11 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-25-2012, 07:16 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(03-25-2012, 05:16 PM)ShinAr Wrote: First of all I very much respect your candor and focus. It is becoming increasingly easier to understand your depth.
Thanks!
Quote:To me, loving others does not mean that one must act contrary to how they might feel. It means that when we are in a negative mood for some reason that we do not act out negatively toward someone. We control our base urges and find a way to avoid abusing the other in any way. Even if that means ignoring them to seek solitude. Even if that means that they might not get a smile in return as we keep our angry gaze to the ground instead.
Exactly.
Quote:Loving others does not have to be to the extent of sacrificing some part of our lives for the benefit of others. It could just be making sure that the things we do is not a deliberate means of causing someone esle harm or suffering.
Agreed.
Quote:Yes, there are many instances where loving others can both be taken advantage of, and seemingly wasted on the undeserving. But, we do not measure the love by its results. We measure love by its intentions.
Yes- this is true. Though sometimes the result of loving is getting abused and taking advantage of. If one continues to allow oneself to be abused, focusing solely on the positive intention behind their loving, this is folly.
Quote:I think that you and I have much the same character traits. Anyone who knows me casually would say that I am a tough guy with no sense of gentleness whatsoever. But those who know me intimately know that my heart is filled with love and I am really just a big old teddy bear. Like you, I really do not express a loving persona, but I live by a code. And that code has always been to do what I think was the right thing to do at the time, and hopefully not have to hurt anyone esle in the process. And that judgement I carry on my shoulders alone. it is not part of a doctrine or a religious dogma. And it is always very much based on the 'in the moment' circumstances.
I don't know if anybody would call me a "tough guy" but I am sure that I come off as aloof or arrogant for my expressed disinterest and/or distaste for most group activities based on herd mentality. I can't help my nature... if the crowd is heading east, I take that as a sure sign to go west. They can call me what they will, but this methodology works in terms of getting me where I want to be.
Quote:You have been hurt Tenet, and I can feel your pain. But you know that inside you feel love. regardless of what anyone else thinks or defines, you know what you feel. And if that is your guide, than you are a being that loves others.
Yes, I know that.

Quote:The opposite to what you are is a being that has no love or concern for others and thinks only of themselves at all times. Those people will stab a friend in the back without remorse. They will place their families in front of them as shields just to protect themselves. They would betray the trust of those who love them because it means nothing to them.
These are the defintions of love for others and love for self.
Possibly. I imagine if one were able to peer inside the hearts of these types they would find more self-loathing than self-love.
(03-25-2012, 07:00 PM)Ankh Wrote: I understand what you are saying, and it's valid questions. My take is that you can scream as much as you want, "warning" people about this or that; if they are not ready to receive your message, it doesn't matter what you do or say - unless you make them to listen, and these methods are known as manipulation, controlling, using fear, enslavement etc.
True enough.
Quote:Perhaps detachment to the outcome is the lesson of wisdom? Offer what you have - but if misses the mark, you move on? And why is that people are not listening? My take is that Creator already knows Itself.
Perhaps, then, the lesson is not so much wisdom as faith.