I was just reading and came across a quote that made me to think about this thread, but I see that spero below has already mentioned it.
I, for the moment, consider Ra's choice of using "or" in this particular quote, as in: you need to understand, nourish and develop *either* faith *or* will, in order to cross the threshold between third and fourth density. In short, if you want to graduate you have to either develop faith or will, not necessarily both of them (but they are speaking of the experiences prior to the veiling process though).
But there is a difference between faith and will, which I, as spero, see in the below quote:
My understanding of this, especially reading the last paragraph, is that if you focus on something specific, it strengthens the will, and it will occur if you have a faith that it is possible.
(03-25-2012, 03:04 PM)TheEternal Wrote:Quote:Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.
I have actually never considered "faith" and "will" to be synonymous before, what do any of you have to consider on this?
I, for the moment, consider Ra's choice of using "or" in this particular quote, as in: you need to understand, nourish and develop *either* faith *or* will, in order to cross the threshold between third and fourth density. In short, if you want to graduate you have to either develop faith or will, not necessarily both of them (but they are speaking of the experiences prior to the veiling process though).
But there is a difference between faith and will, which I, as spero, see in the below quote:
(03-30-2012, 01:35 AM)spero Wrote: A particular passage which tenuously seperates the concept of will and faith is the below. Though it still uses "will and faith" in its opening paragraph it seperates out the will and faith portions in the latter.
Quote:42.11 Questioner: In the last session you said, “that when the self is conscious to a great enough extent of the workings of the catalyst of fasting, and the techniques of programming, it then may through concentration of the will and the faculty of faith alone cause reprogramming without the analogy of fasting, diet, or other analogous bodily complex disciplines.” What are the techniques of programming which the Higher Self uses to insure that the desired lessons are learned or attempted by the third-density self?
Ra: I am Ra. There is but one technique for this growing or nurturing of will and faith, and that is the focusing of the attention. The attention span of those you call children is considered short. The spiritual attention span of most of your peoples is that of the child. Thus it is a matter of wishing to become able to collect one’s attention and hold it upon the desired programming.
This, when continued, strengthens the will. The entire activity can only occur when there exists faith that an outcome of this discipline is possible.
My understanding of this, especially reading the last paragraph, is that if you focus on something specific, it strengthens the will, and it will occur if you have a faith that it is possible.