SO confused - what does 'oneness' really mean???

[kristy1111]

Hello all...

I first wanted to thank every single one of you for giving me your thoughts/feelings/insights on my query, and I would certainly welcome many more! It just expands my understanding all the more. Your help has been invaluable!! If I may, I'd love to address certain comments you all have made, so I shall do so now:

How familiar are you with the L/L Research material? Most of it's available for free from the "Library" link at the top of the page.

*** I actually found the book (I'm sure it was no accident) at a book store (top shelf, front and center, eye level!!) and it seemed to pull on me, even though I had NO clue what it was. I have flipped through the book many times, but as of the last month, I've been reading it with great intensity and I can't get enough of it. I also visit David Wilcock's site frequently (www.divinecosmos.com) and heard a lot about LOO there. Thank you for pointing me to the library and other avenues of study! I'm going to officially be a study geek...heheh...

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Carla has a speech from 2005 at that may be particularly useful to your current questions. Here is an excerpt but I recommend you read the whole thing:

***I read Carla's entire speech and loved it...thank you!
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Carla R. said:

<b>And this is what we came to do, not to force ourselves into heaven but to wake up from the planetary dream</b>, to remember that we’re not here just to meet our loved one, to get married, to have children, to have a job, to retire, to enjoy our retirement and then to die and push up the daisies, but to be: to be the way flowers are in the field, the way stars are in the heavens, to be, substantially, spirit.

**In Peregrinus' reply, I was told that we are not here to learn about love, but our purpose is to make a choice. Why does Carla make the above statement? (in bold)

Carla said, in her speech: We are here because the Creator doesn’t have the right to make changes in the little parts of His universe that He created, like planets. We have that right.

*** Huh? What does this mean that God doesn't have the 'right'? I was taught all my life since religion was introduced to me, anyway, that God is "omnisicent, omnipresent, all knowing, and all powerful. Top of the chain, we might say. So why doesn't he/she/it/they have the right?
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As you can see from this excerpt, the Law of One has nothing to do with destroying your own individuality. As I understand it, it has to do with an awakening of love for yourself and for the portion of Creation that you interact with, moment to moment. Nobody is forced into any kind of merging.

*** That sounds great, but does this message pertain just to this 3rd density? Or do we come to a point where we "have" to meld into the whole God thing?
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The Law of One does say that when merging does occur, with "social memory complexes" beyond our current level of comprehension, the joining is entirely voluntary and welcomed by those who participate. They lose nothing of their own memories and free will in the process.

***By 'those' who participate...this sounds to me like not all will participate or choose to? What might happen to those who choose not to? Are the "baddies"? ;o)
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As far as your points 1, 2, and 3: Perhaps it might help to think of yourself as a portion of God which has independent perception and free will, so that God could have a wider variety of experiences than were possible in infinite unity. Therefore, your own variety of perceptions and choices bless God with what God could not have experienced without you: the blessing of Kristy's unique life.

*** This sounds really cool, except it still flies in the face of what I was taught (not that what I was taught was all correct...just trying to understand more, that's all). This makes God sound like a weaker vessel to me, like God doesn't have all power, etc. Like God 'needs' one of his creations to be able to experience things? Why couldn't an all-knowing all powerful god be able to do whatever he wanted? Or perhaps maybe we're like the perceptual organs of god, in a LITERAL sense? hmmmm....
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The Creator would not benefit from creating an aspect of Creator-ness that could Create her own thoughts, feelings, and decisions, only to obliterate and destroy all that the Creator had given separate existence! Therefore, don't puzzle about the metaphysical structure of your life; instead, focus first on the light and love within each moment.

I'll say it in a very simple way. We are one spirit experiencing life through many, many, many different forms of matter.

***One spirit? Does that mean that we aren't individual souls? I've read many times that we "each" individually have souls that live for infinity. What does LOO say about it?
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You are very closely aware of this portion of matter (Kristy) that's enlivened by spirit because the portion of matter has a mind that's able to think, and with that comes ego which identifies the boundaries of the self.

*** What powers this mind? I mean, is it an offshoot of a blended consciousness, or is it just a tool that is used, and then passes away like a withering flower?
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...the "you" will be carried and held within the complex and instead of being a single point where consciousness and intelligence intersect, you will be part of a "web" where mass consciousness intersects with many different tiny nodes of intelligence. So, as Questioner said, you won't be "forced to assimilate" and you won't lose any part of your identity, just as a single person doesn't lose their identity when they awaken.

*** So what is meant by a 'web'. If one looks at a real spider's web, we see that it is 'one' web, but has lots of strings that attach to each other. So are you saying we are individuals for infinity, but somehow are attached (perhaps by having the same type of thinking and serving?) Like mating: Two creatures join together in the literal sense and are 'one', for the joint purpose of creating, but they are also still individuals. (very rough example).
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Darn... rambled on longer than I wanted. :-/ Haha well anyway, welcome to the forum.

***"Ramble" all you want...I don't consider it rambling. I love it all...bring it on!! :o)

Yes we are one. Think of each of us as a part of the prism of light which comes from the purest color of white light. Although there are but seven basic colors, across the prism of light are many trillions of minute variations on those seven basic colors. We are each one of those individual colors. We are therefore part of the original white light, for without it, we would not and could not exist.

***Okay, so we're 'part' of it (like my children are 'part' of me) but also still individuals? I guess I'm trying to find out if I can still do things...fly, see and feel beauty, serve, contribute, sing, dance, play, etc. etc. The thought of just floating around in a love cloud sounds boring and even hellish to me because I'm not 'doing' anything. Of course, I realize have VERY limited perception and understanding here in 3D!
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This premise/theory is closest to "reality". Yes, this is an illusion, designed for us to learn/experience as to experience the darkness and the light in such a manner that we will come to a decision.

*** Okay, by "illusion", do you mean to say that this flesh and this body I have is not real at all? Like a hologram or something? Or a figment of somebody's imagination? It sure feels real. Are you saying that the air I breathe, the flowers I smell, the children I raise, etc., are all just 'nothing'? I still don't understand "illusion"? Is it a metaphor or literal? *sniff*
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This decision is which path we desire to take when we move forward through the next three densities. This is an important decision, because the next three densities take billions of years to complete.

*** BBBBBBBB-BBBBB-B-I-L-L-I-O-N-S???!!! geeez, I hope they're better places than this 3D malarkey! And do you mean 'each' density takes billions, or all of them combined?
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Though you may not understand it, and the illusion is designed so you do not,

*** What purpose is served in my not being able to understand anything?
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In order to understand ourself, this is only part 3 of one level of infinite levels.

*** Infinite ...infinite?? Whoooah... wowowow.... As in infinite, as in never ending? Is this another way of saying that God will never fully understand itself? Is this because God is ever 'expanding' or something?
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When you blinked just now, it took more time than this entire lifetime that you think you are living, but are not.

*** Can you explain what you mean by this? Why did it take that long? Why did I perceive it as a split second? And what do you mean I'm not living this life that I think I'm living?
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When you say you do not desire to become one with God again, you only say so because you see as if with blinders on.

*** Actually, I desire to become "one" again with God, but only in the sense that I want to join God in oneness of thought and purpose. Like my thoughts and purposes mirror God's thoughts and purposes. In other words, I become "Godly"...? But if becoming one means melting into a pot full of spirits and floating around blissfully for eternity, that sounds like the pits.
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If you could see the whole picture, you would see that there is more beauty in what you do not see, for what you see is not real, and the reality is not seeing, but experiencing. In experiencing, we remove distortion from ourselves

***Doesn't Ra define 'distortion' as anything that suggests duality or individuality? And experiencing...this is what I WANT. That is why I fear going into a God melting pot. I feel like I'll just 'feel' stuff...and not experience it. I would liken it to being able to read about a vacation to Hawaii, and even look at pictures, compared to being able to really go to Hawaii. And I love to interact with others. Perhaps I'm not understand 'oneness', but I always pictured 'oneness' in this mode of thinking (LOO or ACIM) as being literally 'one' entity with no individuality whatsoever, therefore I have nobody to interact with.
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for in this illusion, the purpose is not to learn about love. Our purpose is to make a choice.

*** and others say that our purpose is to remember who we are. And others say that we are here to wake up. And others say other things. I am so confused. Forgive me!
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Although generally correct, I must note that you seem to have a difficult time being able to break free from the understanding that this "physical" self is real, for you like to describe your understandings as in comparability towards the physical self.

*** Actually, I dropped that belief about seven years ago. What I mean is, I used to (as a very staunch Mormon) believe that this body was going to last for eternity. Sure, it would die and rot at some point, but then God would resurrect this SAME body and I'd have it for all eternity, in a perfect form of course. But it'd still be flesh...but not have blood (a "Godly" liquid would flow through it, I was taught). I used the examples pertaining to bodies, etc., because I couldn't think of anything else to use that would best describe what I was trying to portray. ;o)
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The physical self in this illusion is as important to our experience as your car is to you. It is a mode of transportation, a means to move from point a to b.

So after all this 3D is said and done, I couldn't care less about the body that housed "Kristy"?....or even "Kristy" for that matter? One thing that makes me sad about this is that I like being Kristy (except for my perceived faults, of course) and most especially because I love my children...who they are, what they look like, their personalities, their soft cheeks and sweet kisses, etc. The thought of never seeing "them" again as who they "are"....(((weep weep weep)))
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We experience in this illusion with the help of these vehicles, our bodies. They are nothing more than that as your car is, for when one is done, the next one is acquired.

*** Hopefully next time I get a Mercedes that is solar powered...yeeeeah. ;o) Just PLEEEEASE don't let it be on 3D again! (((quaking from fear)))
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In order to understand it, you must turn inward, for inside of you are ALL the answers.

*What do you mean by 'inside' me? Can this 'inside' be acquired via meditation? I meditate now (didn't start very long ago) but I still feel/learn nothing to my knowledge. How long does it take before we connect?
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When your current incarnate experience is finished, you will make the choice of what you desire to do. No one or thing forces you to do anything you do not wish to do.

*** Well, my personal choice would be to never, ever, ever, ever (say that a trillion times) come to 3D life again (unless I came as an angel or an ascended master to help out the folks here or elsewhere). I feel like I've absolutely had enough of it after this incarnation. So, from what I've read, we have to qualify through STO. What if I didn't do either STO or STS, but was just stagnant? How does choice fit into things when we have to qualify for something? What if you decided at the last minute (literally) that you want to go to 4D but hadn't qualified?
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Relax, play with your children, spend time smelling the flowers, doing things you enjoy. Love life.

I definitely do that, but lately I've been doing it more like someone who has a fatal disease. I find myself fearing "losing" my husband and children at graduation time, so I feel like a dying person who only has so much time before they die.

From a Trekkie view I think it compares to Deep Space 9 where Odo is part of the great link, where the entire race can turn to a liquid form and meld together in one-ness so they all know what/who/how each other is/feeling as they become one person, and yet they can leave the great link and become individuals to experience the outside world and bring that information back to the others inside the link so they may experience it through each other.

*** I don't like that idea...cuz I like being an individual. ;o) Couldn't we know what the others were feeling and thinking and how they were thinking/feeling by using telepathy and other godly powers?

We all come from ONE place...we all return to ONE place...

Energy in...energy out...energy is infinite. To me, infinite is a one, a single, a monad of all monads.

*** So you're saying that the 'monad' would be full of energy, and it's like liquid or air, but just like air or liquid, the molecules (or whatever) are singular within the whole 'unit' and are forever going in and out? Like bees in a hive, maybe? Sorry if I'm totally not getting this. I had to actually look up the word 'monad' and I still don't quite get it....haha. I feel like I'm in LOO kindergarten. Hey, I failed scissors and purple in earthly kindergarten (really) so that's probably why I have a learning disability now...heheh.

We are currently watching Nassim Haramein's video, [url=http://theresonanceproject.org/]Crossing the Event Horizon

*** Dang...wish I had the $80+ to buy it. Well, I do...but I'm renovating the cabin I just moved into, so every penny is going to that, basically.

You will be assimilated Kristy! Individualism is overrated anyway. Accept that you are merely a drop returning to a great ocean of love that exists in a void.

*** In a 'void'? What do you mean by that? I don't think being an individual is over-rated personally. I love being an individual but would love to be associated with a group (all the other 'individuals')

Whew...I think I got it all. Sorry it was a long book!

Again, I am so thankful for all of you. I am so new to this and I hope you will have patience with me. I feel this is where I am supposed to be - that the LOO didn't come to me by accident. I can't get enough of it. I send you all my intense and heart-felt love. xoxoxoxoxoxo
~Kristy