Why Return to Earth?

[Shin'Ar]

Aha I know you think I am referring to some other idea of what a human idea, but I indeed do mean our Human Form, however, understood that I think this on the level of geometry which arranges and gives rise to the form of matter. The body is no simple thing in itself.

I'm not sure I am seeing the same as you. Consciousness is not "appearing as human in form", consciousness is perceiving humanness within itself.

I may see any being in any form I wish, quite frankly. I see many humans as more their soul, or astral forms than their physical forms sometimes. The Human Body is energy, as all things, and is created out of a ratio of geometric proportions. You could take away all the flesh and blood, and just leave a pentacle or other geometry and you would have the same thing as a human.

Now we are getting somewhere AZ, but I have to tread carefully here because the moderators have warned me about 'preaching' the same topics in more than one thread which is what we are now doing.

I agree with you completely.

I just do not understand why you continue to speak of vibration as human when you realize that the form could take any form.

I believe that when we define our selves as human, we generally speak of the differences between us and other forms. the different appearance. We would not call an elephant a human. But the elephant has all the same characteristics of vibrating form, consciousness, and flesh and blood needs. The difference is in the physical appearances.

This is also the reason we tend to speak of deformed people and ignorantly say things like, 'they are not human'.

In my opinion when one tries to define their consciousness by the vehicle it uses, confusion is always going to follow.

If the elephant does this it will say that the consciousness is an elephant. When the human does this it will state that the consciousness is human.

the confusion then arises, is consciousness human or elephant?


You state that, "I'm not sure I am seeing the same as you. Consciousness is not "appearing as human in form", consciousness is perceiving humanness within itself."

I am afraid I cannot comprehend this statement. Are you saying that consciousness which has proceeded from the One and experienced the All in countless forms and vibrations, sees itself as human?


I fully agree that all form is vibration and we have had this discussion in great detail. I know how deep your understanding is of these matters although we never did finish that discussion on sound.

What I don't understand is your desire to argue against these things that you already know for the sake of adhering to the idea that remaining in one vibration and form throughout all eternity is satisfactory to you.

But again, I am only expressing my thoughts here in response to your own. But I fear that to continue would violate the Forum guidelines and so I am probably wise to remove myself from this subject at this time as I know how I come across to some out there who have problems with those of us who are confident in expressing our thinking.