Pronunciation

[Ali Quadir]

"As an experiment I would love it if you all would try a simple experiment of invoking "God" with intent while intoning the word "Satan" as your mantra. With full belief in the workings of intent, I would love to hear about your ability to neutralize the effects of intonations.Big Grin"

It may not work for everyone... But this is actually done by a lot of satanists. And they experience similar levels of comfort to Christians invoking their God. To them Lucifer is a God who will accept them as they are. Not an evil God of judgment and rejection as the other guy turned out to be for them.

Take the pagan God Cernunnos, or Pan if you happen to follow that pantheon, he has been used as the archetypal image for the devil, hoofed and horned... He wasn't that devil originally. He was the god of the wilds. And is God to many even today who certainly don't experience him as evil..

Think about practicing voodoo or digging up your dead grandparents. It might give you the shivers but there are people in recognized religions who experience this as something that is right and loving.

Ask a right winged christian to intone Allah as a mantra 100 times. He'll probably be as sick afterwards as if he were invoking Satan instead...

Then think about eating flesh and drinking blood. Even if it's only symbolically. Yet this too is accepted practice in a loving religion.

Just goes to show that all religions are nutty. Or more accurate that the mind applies the meaning, events and things in the physical world do not have meaning on their own...

Plato was very big on that

To simplify, can I use a cube to do what a pyramid can do? This is what you guys are telling me. That intent and belief are what forms reality and that there are no rules of the system that we need abide by.

There are people who say that reality is the combined product of armies of programmers at war with each other. This is a good analogy for the principle of co-creators. Take gravity, it is a purely physical force and one would say it is not subject to our minds in any way. This is because millions of years our lineage our evolution of souls have used gravity in this way.. It still is a spiritual force that manifests in the physical reality. But it has become practically universal. And some people actually managed to escape it by applying their minds. I think the best way to phrase it as Pratchett did "Gravity is a habit that is hard to shake off."

If you manage to see the physical world as a net result of these combined creators all pushing in similar directions. It's totally opposite to what we're taught in school, it's totally opposite to our gut feelings. But it is what the saints and seekers of practically every spiritual tradition teach us.