07-14-2012, 07:47 AM
There is much suffering in this world that should not be blamed on the victims, or excused as catalyst.
This we are all aware of, even those who pretend not to be for the sake of convenience.
The fact that no one here has said anything about actually burning down a restaurant does not mean that my thoughts around extremism are not part of the topic being discussed at large.
And I have repeatedly tried to point out the broader considerations which are being ignored, and then avoided by responses like 'we did not say such' here in this thread.
It is these broader considerations that create the problem of why we cannot all think in the same frame of mind on these matters.
But I have made my point as clearly as I can, and if those broader considerations are to be bounced out of the discussion as though they are meaningless, than there is no need for me to continue to try to make a point.
People will deliberately choose to think what they want, and also deliberately be deaf to what they do not want to hear.
Their thoughts are here, and my broader considerations of their thoughts are here. It is not important to designate a 'debate winner'.
Point in short, 'we cannot expect all of humanity to come together in like mind, and if one goes to any extreme to try to make that happen in total disregard for the complex issues, we will always have our stubborn headed battle for the Promised Land of milk and honey.'
Who deserves it? You with your way of thinking, or them with theirs? And do they even have a right to theirs if it contradicts yours?
Yes, it's so easy to just think locally and overlook the complexity. It's so easy to say this isn't about global harmony, it's just about saving a few cows and compassion. But it is NOT that simple. And we all know it.
The Arab says it is a simple matter of them being there first. To them no broader consideration need be made.
The Hebrew says it is the simple matter of God giving the land to them. To them no broader consideration need be made.
If we cannot figure out what this has to do with eating meat or saving kittens and puppies, then no broader consideration need be made, moreso than it already has above and in a few other threads here.
I am not here to rain on people's parades. Just trying to get my thoughts across on these matters just like everyone else here, but that is now done in my case. We shall all think how we choose, despite broader issues, or in consideration of them. And to me that is the difference between extremism and actual activism with positive results.
A picket sign hollers out a message, but it can also be used to try to beat someone over the head, at which point the message goes roight out the window and the cause lost.
This we are all aware of, even those who pretend not to be for the sake of convenience.
The fact that no one here has said anything about actually burning down a restaurant does not mean that my thoughts around extremism are not part of the topic being discussed at large.
And I have repeatedly tried to point out the broader considerations which are being ignored, and then avoided by responses like 'we did not say such' here in this thread.
It is these broader considerations that create the problem of why we cannot all think in the same frame of mind on these matters.
But I have made my point as clearly as I can, and if those broader considerations are to be bounced out of the discussion as though they are meaningless, than there is no need for me to continue to try to make a point.
People will deliberately choose to think what they want, and also deliberately be deaf to what they do not want to hear.
Their thoughts are here, and my broader considerations of their thoughts are here. It is not important to designate a 'debate winner'.
Point in short, 'we cannot expect all of humanity to come together in like mind, and if one goes to any extreme to try to make that happen in total disregard for the complex issues, we will always have our stubborn headed battle for the Promised Land of milk and honey.'
Who deserves it? You with your way of thinking, or them with theirs? And do they even have a right to theirs if it contradicts yours?
Yes, it's so easy to just think locally and overlook the complexity. It's so easy to say this isn't about global harmony, it's just about saving a few cows and compassion. But it is NOT that simple. And we all know it.
The Arab says it is a simple matter of them being there first. To them no broader consideration need be made.
The Hebrew says it is the simple matter of God giving the land to them. To them no broader consideration need be made.
If we cannot figure out what this has to do with eating meat or saving kittens and puppies, then no broader consideration need be made, moreso than it already has above and in a few other threads here.
I am not here to rain on people's parades. Just trying to get my thoughts across on these matters just like everyone else here, but that is now done in my case. We shall all think how we choose, despite broader issues, or in consideration of them. And to me that is the difference between extremism and actual activism with positive results.
A picket sign hollers out a message, but it can also be used to try to beat someone over the head, at which point the message goes roight out the window and the cause lost.
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