The mysterious nature of time

[Confused]

This post is for all those dear souls who take the time to check out this rambling thread, the so called The mysterious nature of time.

Time, for me, signified the ultimate mystery of existence, given how the past and its events has affected the present and how the present affects the future. The nature of time, I believe, is intimately connected with the concept of free will and to the general fear of the future that most humans possess, on this plane. This was brought home to me by the following very interesting and extremely cryptic quotes (for me) --

70.11 Questioner: Would an analogy for this situation be that an individual’s Higher Self is manipulating, to some extent shall I say, the mind/body/spirit complex that is its analog to move it through the lower densities for the purposes of gaining experience and finally transferring that experience or amalgamating it in mid-sixth-density with the Higher Self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self does not manipulate its past selves. It protects when possible and guides when asked, but the force of free will is paramount. The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity. The Higher Self is the end result of all the development experienced by the mind/body/spirit complex to that point.

37.6 Questioner: You said that each third-density entity has an Higher Self in the sixth-density which is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex of the entity as needed. Does this Higher Self also evolve in growth through the densities beginning with the first-density, and does each Higher Self have a corresponding Higher Self advanced in densities beyond it?

Ra: I am Ra. To simplify this concept is our intent. The higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.

This self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank or memory of experienced thoughts and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.

In this way you may see your self, your higher self or Oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. [b]The only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. All are the same being.

I have now realized that the nature of Time is very slippery. The more one tries to understand it, the more it acts like a slippery eel. I think it is a very high secret of the universe, given the seeming fact that the future self already apparently exists. Then, what novelty am I creating through this life?

OK, now to the real crux of my mental vexations, which has been compounded or brought to contemplative focus for me, by some very traumatic, yet outwardly inexpressible events in my life.

For me, the following quote is very disturbing, if taken to the full extent of its logic --

82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.

Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

That we exist as a modality for the One Infinite Creator to know or experience itself is pretty much established throughout the LOO. For e.g.,

78.20 Questioner: Then our particular Logos, when it created Its own particular creation, was at some point far down the evolutionary spiral of the experiment with the significator becoming what it was not and, therefore, I am assuming, was primarily concerned in designing the archetypes in such a way that they would create the acceleration of this polarization. Is this in any way correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We would only comment briefly. It is generally correct. You may fruitfully view each Logos and its design as the Creator experiencing Itself. The seed concept of the significator being a complex introduces two things: firstly, the Creator against Creator in one sub-Logos in what you may call dynamic tension; secondly, the concept of free will, once having been made fuller by its extension into the sub-Logoi known as mind/body/spirit complexes, creates and re-creates and continues to create as a function of its very nature.

In other words, our seemingly simple interpersonal relations of all kinds, in the comic scheme, is dynamic tension that enables the creator to be pitted against the creator, for creating experiences or knowledge of the creator's self for the creator, through the process of free will of sub-Logoi (or entities like us). Combining this well-crafted design with the condition, i.e., The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself (from 82.10), I think we have a problem.

Why do I think we have a problem? Let us sample the following --

105.13 Questioner: We have been, you might say, experimentally determining a lot of things about the body, the next portion of the tarot, and have been experiencing some of the feedback effects, you might say, between the mind and the body. From everything that we have done so far with respect to these effects the great value of the third-density, yellow-ray body at this time is as a device that feeds back catalyst to create the polarization, I would say. I would ask Ra, if initially when they were designed for third-density experience the mind/body/spirits—not the mind/body/spirit complexes—had as the major use of the yellow-ray body, the feeding back of catalyst and if not, what was the purpose of the yellow-ray body?

Ra: I am Ra. The description which began your query is suitable for the function of the mind/body/spirit or the mind/body/spirit complex. The position in creation of physical manifestation changed not one whit when the veil of forgetting was dropped.

105.14 Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body, from the very beginning, was designed as what Ra has called an athanor for the mind, a device to accelerate the evolution of the mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is perhaps more accurate to note that the yellow-ray, physical vehicle is a necessity without which the mind/body/spirit complex cannot pursue evolution at any pace.

105.15 Questioner: Then you are saying that the evolution of that portion of the individual that is not yellow-ray is not possible without the clothing at intervals in the yellow-ray body. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. No.

105.16 Questioner: Would you clear up my thinking on that? I didn’t quite understand your statement.

Ra: I am Ra. Each mind/body/spirit or mind/body/spirit complex has an existence simultaneous with that of creation. It is not dependent upon any physical vehicle. However, in order to evolve, change, learn, and manifest the Creator the physical vehicles appropriate to each density are necessary. Your query implied that physical vehicles accelerated growth. The more accurate description is that they permit growth.

105.17 Questioner: As an example I would like to take the distortion of a disease or bodily malfunction prior to the veil and compare it to that after the veil. Let us assume that the conditions that Jim experienced with respect to his kidney malfunction had been an experience that occurred prior to the veil. Would this experience have occurred prior to the veil? Would it have been different? And if so, how?

Ra: I am Ra. The anger of separation is impossible without the veil. The lack of awareness of the body’s need for liquid is unlikely without the veil. The decision to contemplate perfection in discipline is quite improbable without the veil.

Now, to me, it is pretty much clear that who ever or what ever that had the power to deepen or drop the veil in this sector of creation, did so, so that, according to their understanding, the creator can more effectively learn from itself.

82.16 Questioner: I guess I didn’t state that exactly right. What I mean is, since there was no forgetting, since the mind/body/spirits had, in what we call the physical incarnation, their full consciousness, they knew the same thing that they would know while not in the physical incarnation. What was the mechanism of teaching that taught the ways of love in the third-density physical prior to the forgetting process?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask your permission to answer this query in an oblique fashion as we perceive an area in which we might be of aid.

82.17 Questioner: Certainly.

Ra: I am Ra. Your queries seem to be pursuing the possibility/probability that the mechanisms of experience in third density are different if a mind/body/spirit is attempting them rather than a mind/body/spirit complex. The nature of third density is constant. Its ways are to be learned the same now and ever. Thusly, no matter what form the entity facing these lessons, the lessons and mechanisms are the same. The Creator will learn from Itself. Each entity has unmanifest portions of learning and, most importantly, learning which is involved with other-selves.

82.18 Questioner: Then prior to the forgetting process there was no concept of anything but service-to-others polarization. What sort of societies and experiences in third-density were created and evolved in this condition?

Ra: I am Ra. It is our perception that such conditions created the situation of a most pallid experiential nexus in which lessons were garnered with the relative speed of the turtle to the cheetah.

OK, so the folks who were in charge and who were able to direct conditions on planets like ours in this sector of infinite creation had a grand brain wave in order to make us evolve with the pace of the cheetah. How did they do it? By the following, of course --

82.21 Questioner: Then even though, from our point of view, there was great evolutionary experience it was deemed at some point by the evolving Logos that an experiment to create a greater experience was appropriate. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may benefit from comment. The Logos is aware of the nature of the third-density requirement for what you have called graduation. All the previous, if you would use this term, experiments, although resulting in many experiences, lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; that is, polarization. There was little enough tendency for experience to polarize entities that entities repeated habitually the third-density cycles many times over. It was desired that the potential for polarization be made more available.

Thus, the grand experiment was to drop the veil of forgetting, so that mind/body/spirits become mind/body/spirit complexes.

From 82.12

The first beings of mind, body, and spirit were not complex. The experience of mind/body/spirits at the beginning of this octave of experience was singular. There was no third-density forgetting. There was no veil.

OK, now once the veil was established, we had some very important consequences, which have gone on to distinctly delineate at least our 3D Earth history. An example of one such consequence would be the condition of pain, which of course was introduced for praiseworthy self-protective reasons.

83.20 Questioner: Would you give me an example of a complex activity of the body that we have now and how it was not complex prior to the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. Prior to the great experiment a mind/body/spirit was capable of controlling the pressure of blood in the vein, the beating of the organ you call the heart, the intensity of the sensation known to you as pain, and all the functions now understood to be involuntary or unconscious.

Moreover, our Logos seems to have been filled with such evangelical zeal for aiding or abetting evolution that the veil was intensified with much gusto.

90.12 Questioner: Was there a reason for choosing the forms that have evolved on this planet and, if so, what was it?

Ra: I am Ra. We are not entirely sure why our Logos and several neighboring Logoi of approximately the same space/time of flowering chose the bipedal, erect form of the second-density apes to invest. It has been our supposition, which we share with you as long as you are aware that this is mere opinion, that our Logos was interested in, shall we say, further intensifying the veiling process by offering to the third-density form the near complete probability for the development of speech taking complete precedence over concept communication or telepathy. We also have the supposition that the so-called opposable thumb was looked upon as an excellent means of intensifying the veiling process so that rather than rediscovering the powers of the mind the third-density entity would, by the form of its physical manifestation, be drawn to the making, holding, and using of physical tools.

In other words, the veil and associated conditions were carefully designed in order to act as limiting factors, so that the interaction between entities becomes more confused or in the words of Ra, vivid. For e.g., the lack of ability to communicate with undisguised or unconfused clarity (or telepathy) has lead to much strife on our planet due to misunderstanding of intents. The design of the opposable thumb in order to make us rely on our physical faculties rather than the unadulterated power of the mind too has had its very drastic consequences.

90.18 Questioner: There seems to have been created by this Logos, to me anyway, a large percentage of entities whose distortion was towards warfare. There have been the Maldek and Mars experiences and now Earth. It seems that Venus was the exception to what we could almost call the rule of warfare. Is this correct and was this envisioned and planned into the construction of the archetypical mind, possibly not with respect to warfare as we have experienced it but as to the extreme action of polarization in consciousness?

Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.

In other words, the Logos' careful development of the veil and the limiting factors (like the thumb, speech, involuntary pain, etc) has lead, albeit inadvertently, to such painful existential human realities like war, torture, etc. I personally feel cheated. The gas chambers and the baking of humans during WWII? The ravages of the medieval wars? The blinding of enemy troops by medieval and even modern armies? The crushing of bones and quartering in earlier times? Carpet bombing in modern times? Custodial torture, especially when the victim is innocent and does not know about what the torturers are seeking?

All the above, the fall out from the decisions of an over-enthusiastic Logos. Of course, for the Logos, free will comes in handy to alleviate the sense of personal responsibility for the tragedies that has been visited on millions of entities, and that too just on planet earth. Who knows about other planets? I wonder whether the Logos is proverbially able to sleep peacefully in the nights, for having created conditions that eventually lead to such painful monstrosities.

On top of the veil, this...

90.19 Questioner: Then did our Logos hope to see generated a positive and negative harvest from each density up to the sixth, starting with the third, as being the most efficient form of generating experience known to It at the time of Its construction of this system of evolution?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

...and this

92.22 Questioner: I am assuming that she sits between the different colored columns, with the dark one on her left, to indicate at this position an equal opportunity for the potentiation of the mind to be of the negative or positive nature. Would Ra comment on this?

Ra: I am Ra. Although this is correct it is not as perceptive as the notice that the Priestess, as this figure has been called, sits within a structure in which polarity, symbolized as you correctly noted by the light and dark pillars, is an integral and necessary part. The unfed mind has no polarity just as intelligent infinity has none. The nature of the sub-sub-sub-Logos which offers the third-density experience is one of polarity, not by choice but by careful design.

We perceive an unclear statement. The polarity of Potentiator is there not for the Matrix to choose. It is there for the Matrix to accept as given.

I feel very sad about all this experimenting with the veil. That is all I will say. It seems very unfair to have me blindsided like this. Am I a guinea pig for experimentation for greater and grander powers like the Logos? Over thousands of years, humans have inflicted great pain upon each other over three items -- organized nation states (or races), organized religion and organized economy (or money). I think most of our human pains are linked in some way to either individually to these items or to a compounded combination of them. And all of them could be traced to the Logos' intelligent design, though inadvertent (of course).

From 60.16 (extracted reply of Ra)

Let us expand upon this point. When we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. In our naïveté in third density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.

We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions we found occurring among your peoples.

We have recorded these differences meticulously in the Great Record of Creation that such naïveté shall not be necessary again.

Ra has a penchant for saying things like your peoples, your system, etc. Hey, I did not personally create any of these so called your systems. May be I had a hand in some former incarnation. However, though I did not personally create any of these grand human constructs like nations, money, armed forces, war, etc; I still live affected by them, in terms of control over my legitimate free will. Why? At times, I should not even ask why, because it is said to open the door to the side of the Dark powers! What is all this? Layers upon layers of physical and metaphysical manifestations in which I have no say in terms of their complex creation and workings; but I stand affected by them, whether I like it or not.

Ra say that they recorded their naïveté as unnecessary in the Great Record of Creation (whatever that is). Well, I record my learning too in that Great Record of Creation. Experimentation with items like the veil on blindsided entities (such as 3D humans) is not in the least necessary, for they have the potential to produce greatly abhorrent painful experiences and unique externally inexpressible circumstances wherein entities can be rendered piteously helpless (for e.g., my mother at my abusive sadistic worst). Does the creator have to learn through sadomasochism? That brings me to my next vexation. Who is the One Infinite Creator?

Is the One Infinite Creator, which is experiencing (in theory at least) emotions through entities like humans, only a insensitive information absorbing quantum data-field with no tender personal existence? Any such questioning is immediately flummoxed or stymied with the stock offering that the One Infinite Creator is clad in mystery. I only think that the One Infinite Creator is clad in mystery because I am not privy to knowledge at that level of creation. Just like many humans on current planet earth experience multiple items in life as mysteries, while students of the LOO know better on those subjects. In other words, there is no real mystery with respect to the One Infinite Creator, other than the fact that I have not pierced that so far. Even if I pierce that mystery, what is so great about it, really. I do not like a One Infinite Creator allowing pain and experiments in the name of better vivid experiences. OK, agreed that most of the painful fall-outs were unintentional. However, why was not immediately corrective action taken in order to prevent more entities from suffering pain. As an analogy, if my action, like tipping the candle accidentally while setting the table for a romantic night sets of a fire in the building, then it is my responsibility to put it out before it affects neighbors in the community. Why did the Logos not do that? After all, it knew about fall-outs, such as destructive wars, from experiences in planets like Mars and Venus, before Earth. Yes, holy wars took place in Ra's Venus too.

89.31 Questioner: What techniques did the two negatively harvested entities use for negative polarization upon such a positively polarized planet?

Ra: I am Ra. The technique of control over others and domination unto the physical death was used in both cases. Upon a planetary influence much unused to slaughter these entities were able to polarize by this means. Upon your third-density environment at the time of your experiencing such entities would merely be considered, shall we say, ruthless despots which waged the holy war.

At least, distinctive examples of how the veil could create unintentional fall-outs of pain and fear for many blindsided entities were available through the experiences of Mars and Maldek, before seeding of 3D humans on Earth.

10.7 Questioner: When Maldek was destroyed, did all the people of Maldek have the fear problem or were some advanced enough to transfer to other planets?

Ra: I am Ra. In the occurrence of planetary dissolution none escaped, for this is an action which redounds to the social complex of the planetary complex itself. None escaped the knot or tangle.

Oh yeah, probably karma or results of energies set in motion long ago! But what about the random entities caught in the cross-fire, who had nothing to do with these grand schemes. For e.g., those native 1D to 2D to 3D Earth entities, who might have been affected by the bellicosity of resettled Martians or Maldekites.

I feel very sad and drained. I have more to say. However, this post itself has gotten very long. May be I will write a follow-up. In all, I feel betrayed by my own parent, the Logos.

I am just an entity feeling vulnerable in what seems to be a seemingly cold universe working on impersonal laws, which can be taken advantage of if one knows how to tap into and tackle the loopholes. Much like what we get out from our earthly legal practice many times, wherein the perpetrators go free and the true victims stand destroyed.

There are tears flowing across my cheeks; but unfortunately, they are tears shed while standing in heavy rain. They will end up as lost tears in the rain.