08-25-2012, 12:38 PM
Shin'Ar is going to hate this, but I think the beauty of an act of murder or some other negative action is truly in the eye of the beholder. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but:
1. Ra said that negatively-polarizing individuals often plan incarnations with lots of wealth, physical attractiveness, and opportunities to gain power over others. The consequence of this is that the universe does not seem to punish people for negativity, but by most people's standards rewards it, as long as it is an action deliberately performed to increase negative polarity.
2. Ra also said about the polarity split, to paraphrase, that some beings love peace and harmony and pleasure while other beings love darkness and despair and pain. Do we not find beauty in that which we love most? I think the consequence here is that some people find negativity beautiful.
3. Ra also said that about 10% of people in this universe take the negative path. The consequence is that it is a significant minority that finds negativity beautiful.
Given this, it becomes problematic to say flat-out that negative circumstances are not beautiful. If one accepts that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you have to deal with a significant minority who believes negativity is beautiful. That's not insubstantial enough to just write them off as foolish.
A similar significant minority finds homosexuality beautiful and appropriate. If the idea of it, or any other harmless sexual proclivity for that matter, grosses you out, you can't just say it's not beautiful. Liberal-minded people typically are loathe to say the minority of homosexuals are just completely out of touch with reality when they see their version of beauty.
If what you want, then, is not to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to say it's objective, you still have to refute these absurd consequences of that position:
1. The Sublime. A gamma-ray burster wipes out an entire planet in a split second. A hurricane forms and kills 20 million with flooding and flying debris. A plague wipes out 1/3 of the world's population. For all the human misery, the universe cares about this as much as you care about the bugs your car windshield squashes on the way to work or the bacteria your immune system wipes out in its endless war. The Creation is just way, way bigger than any amount of misery, no matter how bad, period. Many philosophers of aesthetics consider moments or facts which force us to see things this way to be very beautiful. It's something that has always enjoyed support.
Contemplation of sublime beauty can put negativity and positivity alike in a beautiful relationship to the All - in any amount, no matter how large, they are still infinitesimal. It could always get indefinitely better or worse, and it's the Creator that wants to and will and already has experienced itself in this way. If that's not true, I think the Law of Love and the existence of time-space must be cast out as they lead to this conclusion.
2. Relativity/interconnectedness. The universe creates on the basis of interconnected binary opposites. No light without dark, we hear often; likewise no dark without light. Coupled with the premise that the will of the Creator is entirely bare to see in its completion in time-space, you have to accept that every part depends on every other part. In other words, a single tender kiss is built on a foundation of mass murder. A million people choked on mustard gas so you could enjoy a walk in the park.
So no beautiful thing exists in itself. Beautiful things are nonlocally connected to ugly ones just as your fingers are locally connected to your hand. And that connection is no less real. So the very idea of self-existent beautiful things is challenged. It might even be said, because a million people in some parallel universe had to die horribly for me to listen to a song whose beauty made me cry, that I am profiting from their deaths, as they were a "necessary evil" that caused my enjoyment in a very real way, albeit one we don't often think about.
It could also be said, due to nonlocal interconnectedness, that no beautiful thing or event exists alone without ugly parts, and vice versa for ugly things with beautiful parts. When a person has a mix of beautiful and ugly parts, in body or personality, evaluating their beauty becomes complex, and we often have to admit, open to eye-of-the-beholder interpretation.
3. Ascension to sixth density would be undesirable. In 6D, unity is appreciated and the positive and negative histories of all entities are seen in their fullness and understood as interconnected. The unity is more beautiful than if just positivity had existed. The beauty of both polarities is seen. If the negative is objectively ugly and worth separating oneself from, 6D couldn't exist.
I'll admit that #3 here is kind of weak. Maybe someone with a better understanding of how the +/- polarized paths feed into 6D could support along these general lines, or refute #3.
Anyway. There's my two cents on dark beauty. I have the benefit and bias of never having been crushed by the jackboot of political oppression, of having a relative murdered, of being terminally ill, or any other very negative situation.
But I see the beauty in things like the fact that there are wasps which violently crack open the carapaces of other bugs, lay eggs in them, and then leave them to be eaten alive, from the inside out, by their larvae. I look at the history of warfare and see beauty alongside the cruelty of the development of military tactics. I see beauty in the fact that I'm vulnerable to being beaten, raped, and left for dead in a ditch. I see beauty in the fact that there is an animal out there somewhere being eaten alive by pack predators against whom it didn't stand a chance. I see my brother smoking himself to death and can see the beauty in his addiction.
Basically, I kinda like the dark side. I see the mad beauty in it, and I thank God for my suffering and yours when I see the sun rise and feel thankful for another day.
My knowledge is that the darkness is eternal. My opinion is that it's as beautiful as the light.
1. Ra said that negatively-polarizing individuals often plan incarnations with lots of wealth, physical attractiveness, and opportunities to gain power over others. The consequence of this is that the universe does not seem to punish people for negativity, but by most people's standards rewards it, as long as it is an action deliberately performed to increase negative polarity.
2. Ra also said about the polarity split, to paraphrase, that some beings love peace and harmony and pleasure while other beings love darkness and despair and pain. Do we not find beauty in that which we love most? I think the consequence here is that some people find negativity beautiful.
3. Ra also said that about 10% of people in this universe take the negative path. The consequence is that it is a significant minority that finds negativity beautiful.
Given this, it becomes problematic to say flat-out that negative circumstances are not beautiful. If one accepts that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you have to deal with a significant minority who believes negativity is beautiful. That's not insubstantial enough to just write them off as foolish.
A similar significant minority finds homosexuality beautiful and appropriate. If the idea of it, or any other harmless sexual proclivity for that matter, grosses you out, you can't just say it's not beautiful. Liberal-minded people typically are loathe to say the minority of homosexuals are just completely out of touch with reality when they see their version of beauty.
If what you want, then, is not to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to say it's objective, you still have to refute these absurd consequences of that position:
1. The Sublime. A gamma-ray burster wipes out an entire planet in a split second. A hurricane forms and kills 20 million with flooding and flying debris. A plague wipes out 1/3 of the world's population. For all the human misery, the universe cares about this as much as you care about the bugs your car windshield squashes on the way to work or the bacteria your immune system wipes out in its endless war. The Creation is just way, way bigger than any amount of misery, no matter how bad, period. Many philosophers of aesthetics consider moments or facts which force us to see things this way to be very beautiful. It's something that has always enjoyed support.
Contemplation of sublime beauty can put negativity and positivity alike in a beautiful relationship to the All - in any amount, no matter how large, they are still infinitesimal. It could always get indefinitely better or worse, and it's the Creator that wants to and will and already has experienced itself in this way. If that's not true, I think the Law of Love and the existence of time-space must be cast out as they lead to this conclusion.
2. Relativity/interconnectedness. The universe creates on the basis of interconnected binary opposites. No light without dark, we hear often; likewise no dark without light. Coupled with the premise that the will of the Creator is entirely bare to see in its completion in time-space, you have to accept that every part depends on every other part. In other words, a single tender kiss is built on a foundation of mass murder. A million people choked on mustard gas so you could enjoy a walk in the park.
So no beautiful thing exists in itself. Beautiful things are nonlocally connected to ugly ones just as your fingers are locally connected to your hand. And that connection is no less real. So the very idea of self-existent beautiful things is challenged. It might even be said, because a million people in some parallel universe had to die horribly for me to listen to a song whose beauty made me cry, that I am profiting from their deaths, as they were a "necessary evil" that caused my enjoyment in a very real way, albeit one we don't often think about.
It could also be said, due to nonlocal interconnectedness, that no beautiful thing or event exists alone without ugly parts, and vice versa for ugly things with beautiful parts. When a person has a mix of beautiful and ugly parts, in body or personality, evaluating their beauty becomes complex, and we often have to admit, open to eye-of-the-beholder interpretation.
3. Ascension to sixth density would be undesirable. In 6D, unity is appreciated and the positive and negative histories of all entities are seen in their fullness and understood as interconnected. The unity is more beautiful than if just positivity had existed. The beauty of both polarities is seen. If the negative is objectively ugly and worth separating oneself from, 6D couldn't exist.
I'll admit that #3 here is kind of weak. Maybe someone with a better understanding of how the +/- polarized paths feed into 6D could support along these general lines, or refute #3.
Anyway. There's my two cents on dark beauty. I have the benefit and bias of never having been crushed by the jackboot of political oppression, of having a relative murdered, of being terminally ill, or any other very negative situation.
But I see the beauty in things like the fact that there are wasps which violently crack open the carapaces of other bugs, lay eggs in them, and then leave them to be eaten alive, from the inside out, by their larvae. I look at the history of warfare and see beauty alongside the cruelty of the development of military tactics. I see beauty in the fact that I'm vulnerable to being beaten, raped, and left for dead in a ditch. I see beauty in the fact that there is an animal out there somewhere being eaten alive by pack predators against whom it didn't stand a chance. I see my brother smoking himself to death and can see the beauty in his addiction.
Basically, I kinda like the dark side. I see the mad beauty in it, and I thank God for my suffering and yours when I see the sun rise and feel thankful for another day.
My knowledge is that the darkness is eternal. My opinion is that it's as beautiful as the light.
![[+]](https://www.bring4th.org/forums/images/collapse_collapsed.png)