08-29-2012, 11:14 PM
@zen
Like Parsons stated, I was referring to the STO path available to us. That means acceptance of others and unconditional love. What I am trying to acknowledge here is that currently we face both paths offering us their service. As others have responded, the harvest point also marks a change in the Earth's relation to both STO and STS as it moves into its space as a 4D+ planet. I think that the influence that the STS bring to this planet is much stronger than many like to think. Our subservience to them is part of 3D catalyst and is an integral part of their own 3D negative catalyst as well. We are as indebted to them as they are to us at the end of it. This is why I have a hard time not believing there will be a 'reprieve' of sorts for us on the positive path here on earth. At some point, our 'competition' has to leave; this is our house. When they do leave, how quickly will it really take us to put things right as we see it ourselves as STO beings? I don't think very long at all.
As far as who or what is deciding what is right for everyone, I have to agree with Parsons that these things are 3D layers that will not apply to a 4D world. A 4D society finds value in the vast spread of interests and lifestyles in its peoples. A 4D positive society would celebrate every difference and encourage and lift up everyone, so I don't see the same threats that you do. I trust that 4D will be 4D.
As far as the transition being 'long', what if the 100-700 years period was given because Ra knew what our lifespans would be able to be lengthened to with the influx of 4D inspired technologies we would be seeing after the harvest? The latest reports from some Russian scientists are that they should have "immortality" figured out in the next 50 years; I could see a few 3D minds sticking it out as long as they can, and if the world is unfolding towards 4D I wouldn't blame them either. Didn't Ra say our "original" lifespans were programmed out at around 1000 years, but the distortions have become so great that we've whittled it down to 65 or whatever it is now. This to me is only greater proof that we are under heavy 'attack' from the STS as they end their own 3D cycles and strive for 4D negative. RA also says that the mechanics involving 4D negative harvest and ascension are exactly the same as the positive side, so I think just as we have never seen a more positive earth and world than we have today (and I believe that), we have also never seen such a huge ugly monster as what the greatest of the STS elite have become. Both extremes become true. Through greater and greater toil put upon us, we find more and more ways to allow love to respond. Some might want to focus on the media's perspective, but per capita the stats are clear that the world has never been better.
Again, this ties very much into the STS negative influence. Is this only dealt with on an individual basis and targeting approach, or is it also possible they are able to throw 'blankets' as well? Now, many will interject here and say "but we're choosing these things", and I completely agree with that. We are choosing these things, and for right now, they are perfectly appropriate for 3D catalyst. However, I do feel there will be a point where these things will no longer becomes appropriate, and that may be sooner than later. I guess we'll see eventually
@Siren
I guess I mean 'abrupt' in the sense that there will most likely be a tipping point towards 4D in that transition period. Will it be front loaded or back loaded with 'clearing' time? Will 3D dissipate linearly over time or will it ebb and flow?
@anagogy
I agree with this quote. When I speak of the negative influences and our rising above them, I expect this will be done through our choices and our awareness. I don't expect us to be 'saved' by 4D beings in a big firetruck from the sky. I expect we will be given more and more truth, and with that we will start to move to where we gotta go.
Like Parsons stated, I was referring to the STO path available to us. That means acceptance of others and unconditional love. What I am trying to acknowledge here is that currently we face both paths offering us their service. As others have responded, the harvest point also marks a change in the Earth's relation to both STO and STS as it moves into its space as a 4D+ planet. I think that the influence that the STS bring to this planet is much stronger than many like to think. Our subservience to them is part of 3D catalyst and is an integral part of their own 3D negative catalyst as well. We are as indebted to them as they are to us at the end of it. This is why I have a hard time not believing there will be a 'reprieve' of sorts for us on the positive path here on earth. At some point, our 'competition' has to leave; this is our house. When they do leave, how quickly will it really take us to put things right as we see it ourselves as STO beings? I don't think very long at all.
As far as who or what is deciding what is right for everyone, I have to agree with Parsons that these things are 3D layers that will not apply to a 4D world. A 4D society finds value in the vast spread of interests and lifestyles in its peoples. A 4D positive society would celebrate every difference and encourage and lift up everyone, so I don't see the same threats that you do. I trust that 4D will be 4D.
As far as the transition being 'long', what if the 100-700 years period was given because Ra knew what our lifespans would be able to be lengthened to with the influx of 4D inspired technologies we would be seeing after the harvest? The latest reports from some Russian scientists are that they should have "immortality" figured out in the next 50 years; I could see a few 3D minds sticking it out as long as they can, and if the world is unfolding towards 4D I wouldn't blame them either. Didn't Ra say our "original" lifespans were programmed out at around 1000 years, but the distortions have become so great that we've whittled it down to 65 or whatever it is now. This to me is only greater proof that we are under heavy 'attack' from the STS as they end their own 3D cycles and strive for 4D negative. RA also says that the mechanics involving 4D negative harvest and ascension are exactly the same as the positive side, so I think just as we have never seen a more positive earth and world than we have today (and I believe that), we have also never seen such a huge ugly monster as what the greatest of the STS elite have become. Both extremes become true. Through greater and greater toil put upon us, we find more and more ways to allow love to respond. Some might want to focus on the media's perspective, but per capita the stats are clear that the world has never been better.
Again, this ties very much into the STS negative influence. Is this only dealt with on an individual basis and targeting approach, or is it also possible they are able to throw 'blankets' as well? Now, many will interject here and say "but we're choosing these things", and I completely agree with that. We are choosing these things, and for right now, they are perfectly appropriate for 3D catalyst. However, I do feel there will be a point where these things will no longer becomes appropriate, and that may be sooner than later. I guess we'll see eventually
@Siren
I guess I mean 'abrupt' in the sense that there will most likely be a tipping point towards 4D in that transition period. Will it be front loaded or back loaded with 'clearing' time? Will 3D dissipate linearly over time or will it ebb and flow?
@anagogy
Quote:No. Except in the fact that we will be more conscious of such influences. The fact that we are so unconscious in 3rd density is what makes influence possible in the first place. One cannot guard what they are not aware of. One cannot make a choice one is not conscious of. Our variety of choices will increase in 4th density as consciousness increases.
I agree with this quote. When I speak of the negative influences and our rising above them, I expect this will be done through our choices and our awareness. I don't expect us to be 'saved' by 4D beings in a big firetruck from the sky. I expect we will be given more and more truth, and with that we will start to move to where we gotta go.
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