09-24-2012, 07:49 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-25-2012, 11:55 AM by godwide_void.)
(09-21-2012, 02:37 PM)ShinAr Wrote:(09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: It is the evolution of consciousness which creates the appearance of degradation, of evolution, of progression, of aging, of passing seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia, eons; the contents of consciousness are subject to the illusion of time so as to provide a system whereby the flow of events may be tracked. However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.
NOW we are getting somewhere my friends. Listen to this One and listen carefully to his words-
GWV : "However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.
Time does not pass. Consciousness merely evolves. Consciousness merely unfolds. What will happen in the "future" is the continued progression infinite consciousness for all eternity."
What you are stating here is exactly what I have always said; there is no such thing as time. It is an illusion of consciousness and without consciousness to measure it, time ceases to exist. You know this as it is clearly written into my writings which can be found on the website.
It is exactly as you have stated here Godwide, that All is merely the unfolding process of evolving consciousness.
We are nothing but Process of Being, which has no time component in an infinite Mystery. There is absolutely no finished future, just as there is no tenses of time without consciousness to measure them.
So the real question now is, how does this thought process affect this version of simultaneity that some here espouse regarding what they have been calling their higher self, and how does it affect their understanding of a creation having been already completed in such a way that the future has already been experienced and is somehow part of the present?
I sense that this 'stillness' of which you speak so vaguely is going to be somehow vital to our putting this all together.
(09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: I understand now why you were at odds with my discourse on time, for you believed what I was trying to get across the entire time already: time is an illusory construct. In my proclaiming that each perceived passing moment in the singular evolving continuum of consciousness can be considered a past moment, a present moment, and a future moment depending on the vantage point of the observer in relation to the spatial changes occurring around him/her, it was merely to demonstrate that time is a fabrication that indeed, as we agreed, arises only when there is consciousness to measure it.
It is man, which is a subsequent manifestation and ultimately a mere content of consciousness, which divides segments in the eternally progressing flow of consciousness into a "day", a "second" or an "hour". It is only in the mind of the human which such an abstract thought would arise. Only in the human mind is there any counting or division between one unmarked flow of consciousness to the next.
Time is an illusion of awareness of memory, passing experience, and future possibilities.
It should never be calculated as a state of being where consciousness becomes subject to its awareness. Awareness does not create any experience, interaction creates experience. For one to say that the future has already been completed, is to suggest that interaction between fields of consciousness has no affect on creation. And that is in denial of the Divine design at its very core.
Time cannot be separated into categories and then assigned reality which denies its illusion just because awareness established such categories. For as I said above,
Awareness does not create any experience, interaction creates experience.
While I largely agree, the one thing which I would point out that would be beneficial for you to add would be the specification that interaction creates active experience while inert awareness still creates experience, albeit a more passive experience. Would you be able to clarify what the full range of circumstances you are encompassing are when you use the term interaction? Meditation is an experience facilitated by awareness lacking physical interaction and in some cases the quieting of mental activity, and the phenomenon that can accompany the expansion of one's awareness and immersion into deeper states of awareness can themselves constitute experiences, and I am also alluding to visionary, psychedelic, entheogenic, or general trance experiences.
However, depending on what you truly meant by your bolded statement, one could apply the context of interaction within these experiences as leading to their facilitation considering that one is engaging in interaction within one's mind between the mind and the mind, or in some cases, the mind being the template with which one may interact with higher or deeper components of one's self which exist beyond the confines of one's conscious mind.
Quote:(09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: You are perceptive in remembering my mentioning of perceiving the complete stillness of the Creator. You will do well to relegate the notion of time as perceived by lower manifestations and substitute it with the true macrocosmic nature of consciousness. There is nothing vague about my speaking of the "stillness" and it is meant to be taken quite literally and it is no different then the immovable and monumental state attained via deep meditation. My observation revealed to me that the only true moment that exists is the One Infinite Creator "sitting", and I use this term very loosely, in inert silence.
However, in this utterly still moment, the entire Creation within It is clearly in motion. Its "process of being", the continuing expansion and unfolding of consciousness, the very act of the Creator countlessly experiencing Itself and creating new components within Itself, is all occurring in one single moment. This moment is eternal, for it is sustained by a being which is infinite. This moment consists of only one activity: the eternal refining, evolution, progression, improvisation, expansion, construction, and growth of the Creator via its means of fragmenting Its awareness within Itself to experience Itself.
The eternal moment is the One Infinite Creator meditating in silent stillness as the entirety of existence is in motion within It.
Merely because we in our limited awareness and perceptions are subject to the most minute movements within its flow, experiencing only portions of what exist within It, do we attempt to apply the paradigms of our reality towards making sense of the processes of the meta-paradigm which underlines the Creator.
Yes, we are each existing in that eternal moment of still awareness which creates nothing further than the now and that which exists in that stillness.
In awareness of that stillness we perceive possible future as the result of further thought process. But that awareness creates nothing but awareness.
That stillness is the reality of the cage where no other cage has connected with us. It is illusion because the instant another cage connects, that stillness is altered not by further awareness, but by the process of sharing information.
The one and only factor that can impose upon the stillness of the eternal moment of the now, is connectionéinteraction. And that is not subject to the awareness of it, it is subject only to the processingéexperiencing of it.
Each connection between cages sets each dog free into a new stillness of moment, each coming to fruition in the course of its experience, and not subject to any possible awareness of future possibility. Knowing only the state of the new cage it has just discovered only by and because of connection to another cage.
The stillness exists only in The state of being where The One exists as all cages of experience. Time becomes existent in the state of being where one cage connects with another as each is designed to do.
Both stillness and time are nothing more than the awareness of the state of being experiencing them.
Connection and interaction are not so much as imposing factors as they are the reigns which excite the evolution of the nature of the ocean of existence. All nodes of individual awareness are various perspectives of only one awareness which gives rise to the experiences of connection and interaction between the seemingly independent spheres or cages of awareness and being inextricably linked within It. As information is shared in interaction and is made known to the awareness, future possibilities arise which only become experience if the awareness directs and focuses itself towards the steps which will lead to manifestation of these possibilities as experience which the being may participate in, thus allowing one's awareness to accumulate this experience as memory and adding onto the reservoir of experiences which dynamically shifts the vibrations of the static being. Indeed, the perception of stillness and the constructed experience of time are simply attributes and observations made which correspond to one's current state, although time is moreso a subjective categorization with stillness pointing more towards one's natural underlining state.
Quote:(09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Regarding what some would consider their "higher selves" or a perfect higher dimensional version of themselves in the "future", this primarily applies to beings which have already achieved a higher degree of spiritual evolution and have incarnated a portion of their consciousness into lower density being. In this instance, one is simply a lower extension of their true forms which have attained a greatly evolved rank in existence. The simultaneity of interaction and cooperation arises due to the higher and lower forms being singular, and it is the higher form which personally programs and directs the incarnation, and if sufficient balance and awareness has been cultivated, takes on the role of seating itself wholly within the vehicle of the lower incarnated extension.
The higher self, while it technically is "you in the future" it would be more accurate to say that it was you prior to being born, and is still you at the moment that you are are experiencing lower being, albeit the actions of the lower extension contribute to the modification and evolution of one's individual higher dimensional counterpart, and the evolution of both directly contributes to the evolution of the highest counterpart of all selves, being the Creator.
There is the stillness of the eternal moment, a state of being in which only The One exists. And there is the passing of the experiences of each field, a state of being in which their awareness measures such passage for the purpose of comprehension of experience.
The higher self is not in some possible future, for that would require a state of being and awareness to define that designation, and it has not ye come to pass.
The higher self is the filed of consciousness existing now, including all that it has acquired as its state of being, and experiencing this awareness now under the constraints of this particular form and state of being.
The fact that the field employing this lower form of being is actually much more evolved than it seems, does not mean that its higher state of being is somehow in the future of its potential possibilities.
The flame that it actually is, is no more in some future state of being than it is right now.
if a man suffers a head injury and becomes greatly decreased in ability and understanding, does that mean that his true self is somehow in the futureÉ
If a man that usually drives a Porsche is suddenly restricted to driving a Chevette, does that mean that his real self is somehow driving a Prosche in some future experience of eventsé
No, it simply means that the potential of the existing consciousness has been limited by its present form and state of being.
The higher self is not a future state of being, it is the actual evolved degree and potential of one`s field.
It is easy for us to confuse this because we associate evolution with future development. And so when we try to comprehend evolved status in its restrained state, we coincidentally assume that the higher degree must therefore be a future state of being.
But when we realize that time is an illusion of awareness, confined to the fragmented experience of connecting fields, we must also realize that future is not a state of being but further construct of that illusion of awareness.
Where, in illusion, can a higher state of being exist as realityÉ
With that in mind I ask you to consider your following words for further discussion between us.
I also await your discernment of what I have to offer in our connection.
The confusion arises when one considers higher or further phases of evolution as being incompatible with occurring simultaneously. The sum total of one's existence is not a point on a spectrum but should rather be seen as being the entire spectrum. One may choose to envision this spectrum as a longitudinal/latitudinal line or a sphere, this existential grid containing the current point which one experiences themselves as in any lower form and all possible experiences and paths existing congruently to ones current point of awareness. Experiences which the lower manifestation has yet to undergo all exist in potentiation within this spectrum, as well as the residual roads leading to possible experiences which have been bypassed.
All beings exist as their own spectrum of existence encompassing every component of themselves, even those aspects which are beyond one's current awareness. You ask where within this illusion can a higher state of being exist as reality. To this I say that one's higher state of being has always existed as reality beyond this illusion, although to accurately cover all fluctuating circumstances of the essence of being, it would perhaps be more proper to say "other" states of being. The reason for this being that, as I have stated in reference to beings which have yet to achieve a state of spiritual evolution beyond the lower densities of awareness, what is viewed as the highest self counterpart for these beings is simply their disembodied, disincarnate consciousness which exists beyond physicality, mortality, human life and death. This form of theirs is higher in the sense that its mode of awareness and experience is open to non-local realms of consciousness, and yet can their experiences really be categorized as "higher" when it is the "descent" into incarnation which is the substantiating factor in their evolution through consciousness?
In the instance where a field of consciousness has indeed achieved higher levels and forms of being, their existence as reality within the illusion directly coincides with their parallel incarnated lower extensions. Just as you previously and accurately pointed out that stillness and time are nothing more than the awareness of the state of being experiencing them, so too is one's perception of higher and lower being or progress in evolution dependent on the awareness of the particular state of being experiencing them in relation to their current position in the spectrum of existence.
To the lower point within one's total spectrum of existence, one may appear to still be evolving and striving towards transcending into a higher form, and is still subject to learning, to trials and errors, and experiences such as existential handicaps that leads one to assume that their progress is confined completely to that point and form. To the higher evolved self point within one's spectrum of being which exists simultaneously and oversees the experiences of the lower point on the spectrum, it retains full awareness of its total sum of progress, experience, capabilities and its highest stage of evolution, although the lower point upon the spectrum is necessarily sectioned off from this awareness so as to serve the purpose of furthering the overall evolution of the entire spectrum by plunging into the illusory arena of human existence.
It is in the forging of a connection with one's higher counterpart and the opening of the lines of communication with the higher point of one's spectrum of being, and cooperatively engaging in interaction with other points of one's total spectrum does it become clear that the line dividing higher and lower being is as much an illusion as the lines which divide the single unbroken continuum of awareness into past, present, and future. Although the circumstances of one's current human awareness relegate their knowledge and perception of their self as being "lower", in truth one's existence does not begin nor end with the false boundaries of human existence. One's lower self cannot exist unless one is existing beyond this world, regardless whether ones "outer essence" is capable only of reincarnation and has yet to achieve experience in higher dimensions or one's "outer essence" is as ancient as the Creation itself and is thus able to interact with the lower portions of itself upon its entire spectrum and directly affect the experience of the lower form in mysteriously miraculous ways.
The reality of the illusion is that is blocks out the awareness of one's current higher state of being or bars one from being aware of the possible other forms of being which one may eventually enter, and I am specifically speaking to higher dimensional forms. Within the illusion, what we may regard as higher states of being are only so within this illusion and are only a taste of what awaits us beyond it. We may engage in activities which heighten our vibration as a human, but in truth we are only heightening the vibration of one individual point which we are currently confined to on a spectrum which expands the more which we evolve, and our higher states of being are possibilities within the entire spectrum which we have either already attained and have temporarily stepped out of in order to experience lower regions of the spectrum for any number of reasons or are simply possibilities which await our proper interaction and connection within the universe to attain them even if we must first exit this illusion in order to blossom into such forms.
(09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: The possibility exists also, depending upon the timeline probabilities which a being enters, for a higher self to enter into existence midway through the incarnation of a lower density entity. This is resultant from the fact that the more polarized choices and actions an individual takes which causes its potential future to become more aligned with its ascension, the corresponding universe will become generated wherein it already has ascended and is well on its way to experiencing dimensions far beyond the lower, and this curious paradox exists given that lower dimensional actions actually have a higher dimensional reaction in conjunction with the previous disclaimer that time is illusory and beyond the confines of this illusion one's manner of perceiving consciousness takes on a more spatially-oriented manner of interfacing.
Likewise, for entities who have no individual "higher self", this is due to their inability to have achieved the entrance into the evolutionary path or timeline where they have managed to bring into manifestation a future parallel version of themselves which has achieved a high enough frequency to exist as a higher dimensional being. This also applies exclusively to entities who are not Wanderers and have only ever existed as a lower being in the lower densities for regardless of the actions and path taken by an entity who is originally of a higher form of being, nothing will negate the existence of a "higher self" for them as they were already a "higher self" prior to becoming a lower self.
For one final reiteration and clarification, I would like to briefly summarize that simultaneity equates to timelessness, and time is constructed by self-aware contents of consciousness in order to devise a means of categorizing and marking the passage of events, and all seemingly disconnected events and experiences exist as a result of one singular unfolding eternal moment of consciousness whereby one moment and one action consists of all moments and all activities.
Edit: My last sentence was meant to say "exit" rather than "exist": ...even if we must first exit this illusion in order to blossom into such forms.