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    Thread: Is everything subjective?


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    10-07-2012, 11:52 PM
    (10-07-2012, 10:54 PM)rie Wrote: ...Societies that had been more "sociocentric"(as supposed to "egocentric") who understand "self" as "self-in-others," (as supposed to separation between me & you), and who had beliefs that all were interconnected (environment, other people, family, ancestors, cosmos, etc.), and who did not distinguish between daily life and spirituality but saw the sacred in everything. Cooperation over competition (although competition is present), interdependence over independence (but independence also present)... Understanding "sickness" as disconnection or disharmony or imbalance of the person to "others." Maybe slow changing (to us) but stable, smaller population centers, agrarian with technology, with some monetary system but mostly barter. ?
    All of those apprehensions valid and familiar but they are themes over the horizon rather than actual, real experience from applied will in the context of solutions worked out and that whole journey. In my view "interdependence over independence (but independence also present)" means that one has individuated sufficiently to support cooperation free from personal dependencies having to do with "orange/yellow" work.

    I would say that even those capable of seeing "self-in-others" may be imbalanced or even pathological. For example, if one becomes convinced that their new apprehension of validity of subjective experience is some kind of idealistic aim or height of achievement, then they may seek to control and to promote their ideology at the expense of the healthier understanding where others may be "at". To the detriment of society, they will tend to project their values onto others incapable of appreciating that context. They will also tend to over-compensate for the pathological conditions of the prior stage of development, thus creating further imbalance. This is known as the "Mean Green Meme" and roughly enters awareness just as the "heart center" is opened (Green in this sense has nothing to do with green ray, however).
    http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j2...asp?page=4
    IMHO, people need to keep moving beyond the distractions invited by this initial stage of development in order to approach any social concern in a more integral manner, rather than an ideological manner.
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    Is everything subjective? - by Avocado - 09-29-2012, 10:47 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Spaced - 09-30-2012, 12:15 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by xise - 09-30-2012, 01:41 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Cyan - 09-30-2012, 03:44 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by xise - 09-30-2012, 02:26 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Goldenratio - 09-30-2012, 02:09 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 09-30-2012, 03:02 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Shin'Ar - 09-30-2012, 07:39 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Bring4th_Austin - 09-30-2012, 03:53 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by SomaticDreams - 09-30-2012, 04:54 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by unir 1 - 10-01-2012, 01:04 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by SomaticDreams - 10-04-2012, 09:27 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Avocado - 09-30-2012, 08:09 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 09-30-2012, 08:50 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Tenet Nosce - 10-01-2012, 11:37 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by AnthroHeart - 10-01-2012, 11:48 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Tenet Nosce - 10-01-2012, 11:57 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-05-2012, 12:46 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-05-2012, 09:38 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Avocado - 10-05-2012, 02:53 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-05-2012, 05:44 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-05-2012, 10:46 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-05-2012, 11:35 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Peregrinus - 10-06-2012, 12:27 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-06-2012, 12:39 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Cyan - 10-06-2012, 03:39 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Patrick - 10-06-2012, 08:33 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Cyan - 10-06-2012, 09:00 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-06-2012, 01:43 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-06-2012, 02:48 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-06-2012, 03:07 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-06-2012, 03:12 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Cyan - 10-06-2012, 04:40 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-06-2012, 04:07 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-06-2012, 05:07 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by βαθμιαίος - 10-06-2012, 07:46 PM
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    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-07-2012, 02:12 AM
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    RE: Is everything subjective? - by TheInfinite1 - 10-06-2012, 11:23 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-07-2012, 02:22 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-07-2012, 02:40 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-07-2012, 03:12 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-07-2012, 06:22 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-07-2012, 06:42 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-07-2012, 07:25 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-07-2012, 07:42 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-07-2012, 09:56 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-07-2012, 10:17 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Cyan - 10-08-2012, 12:12 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-08-2012, 12:39 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-07-2012, 10:54 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-07-2012, 11:52 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-08-2012, 12:42 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Peregrinus - 10-08-2012, 11:08 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by zenmaster - 10-08-2012, 11:50 PM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by Patrick - 10-09-2012, 08:41 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by AnthroHeart - 10-09-2012, 09:05 AM
    RE: Is everything subjective? - by reeay - 10-09-2012, 05:15 PM
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