03-01-2016, 05:33 PM
I agree that "The free will of others does not matter" was an inadequate hyperbole, because an STS entity has to follow the laws of free will. But, they are interested in exploiting and using a being's own free will to enslave themselves. But my point with my entire sentence was that the negative beings' free will supersedes that of those below it. If an STS wants to create a slave society, they will do that. Of course they need those who are willing, which there will always be plenty. But the "gravity well" created by a negative society leaves very little room for one to exert their own will.
I also disagree that "Control and manipulation can only happen to one on the STO path who has not realized themselves as Creator" - control and manipulation happens to STS beings amongst each other, too. And in 3D, I'd say primarily to unpolarized entities.
As to the second point, I agree with you on one level. But the "natural" progression of all ways is STO. In the quote I made above, Ra even says that the STS path is harder because in mid 6th density they have to learn how to do what the STO entity has been doing all along. That is why I say the STS path is "harder". Not less equal. Just a deliberately round-about way to unity.
Ra seeks dissolution of self through what they call the path of service to others, or unity. They also say that the creation is mystery laden. I'm not making judgement on others, I'm just defending what I perceive is a rather continuous attack on the idea of polarizing service to others. Everyone wants to "transcend polarity" but the fact is that you have to climb the ladder one rung at a time, and the Creation is deliberately designed this way after many experimentations. Most people are just trying to defend the legitimacy of the sinkhole. And there is plenty of legitimacy, but to actually do spiritual work while incarnated in 3rd density requires choosing a polarity. I believe on some level, everyone who participates on this forum wants to engage in that level of experience. It's just confusing on how to get there because The Law of One by Ra was specifically worded to leave everyone's free will in tact and not make the choice for them. So there is a lot of information that gets jumbled in people's heads when they read the Ra material. It's not until a polarity is decided upon and the path is followed that un-jumbling can begin to occur.
As far as who decides who is doing what mid-6th density, and why the STS path is more difficult, I was just sharing my interpretations of Ra's words in the quote I already posted:
Quote:70.23 Questioner: I was asking these questions primarily to understand or to build a base for an attempt to get a little bit of enlightenment on the way that time/space and space/time is related to the evolution of the mind/body/spirit complex so that I could better understand the techniques, you might say, of that evolution. For instance, you stated that “the potential difference may be released and polarities changed after an entity has learned/taught the lessons of love of self” if the entity is [a] positive entity that has found itself in negative time/space and then had to incarnate in negative space/time. And what I was trying to do was build a base for attempting to understand or at least get a slight understanding of what you meant by this statement that potential difference may be released and polarities changed after the above step. I am very interested in knowing, if placed in a negative time/space, why it is necessary to incarnate in negative space/time and learn/teach love of self and develop, I guess, a sixth-density level of polarity before you can release that potential difference. I was trying to build a little foothold or platform from which to make that more apparent. Could you speak on that subject, please?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.
The entity which incarnates into negative space/time will not find it possible to maintain any significant positive polarity as negativity, when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it. Thus the entity, while remembering its learned and preferred polarity, must needs make use of the catalyst given and recapitulate the lessons of service to self in order to build up enough polarity in order to cause the potential to occur for reversal.
There is much in this line of questioning which is somewhat muddled. May we, at this point allow the questioner to rephrase the question or to turn the direction of query more towards that which is the heart of its concern.
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71.14 Questioner: You have made the statement that pure negativity acts as a gravity well pulling all into it. I was wondering first if pure positivity has precisely the same effect? Could you answer that please?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. Positivity has a much weaker effect due to the strong element of recognition of free will in any positivity approaching purity. Thus although the negatively oriented entity may find it difficult to polarize negatively in the midst of such resounding harmony it will not find it impossible.
Upon the other hand, the negative polarization is one which does not accept the concept of the free will of other-selves. Thusly in a social complex whose negativity approaches purity the pull upon other-selves is constant. A positively oriented entity in such a situation would desire for other-selves to have their free will and thusly would find itself removed from its ability to exercise its own free will, for the free will of negatively oriented entities is bent upon conquest.
I also disagree that "Control and manipulation can only happen to one on the STO path who has not realized themselves as Creator" - control and manipulation happens to STS beings amongst each other, too. And in 3D, I'd say primarily to unpolarized entities.
As to the second point, I agree with you on one level. But the "natural" progression of all ways is STO. In the quote I made above, Ra even says that the STS path is harder because in mid 6th density they have to learn how to do what the STO entity has been doing all along. That is why I say the STS path is "harder". Not less equal. Just a deliberately round-about way to unity.
Quote:Jade, I see that you added this quote to another post 'In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.' and I wonder if this is where you based your understanding that STO is the truer path because it does not need to be abandoned at the level of 6th D. Personally you respond by saying that 'The end goal is being able to send love and light to all other selves.' and I wonder who's end goal? yours? the creators? And I don't really see how this end goal has anything to do with the dissolution of polarity which can only be experienced as a path towards the eventually dissolution of the self/re-integration with all that is. The dissolution of the self is not my goal, yet loving others is. For some of us the goal is simply to perpetuate creation and to ensure the continuity of ourselves for eternity as a balanced entity which integrates others such that we still get what we want without the necessity of supporting another in experiencing infringement. STS does not require lack of love in my humble opinion, and part of this confusion could be that we are viewing the structure of the octave from the perspectives of just ourselves along with that of Ra. Ra seeks the dissolution of the self, and perhaps there is more to the eventual evolution of the octave that is currently being hidden beyond Ra's desire to serve in its own way and to evolve in its own manner.
Ra seeks dissolution of self through what they call the path of service to others, or unity. They also say that the creation is mystery laden. I'm not making judgement on others, I'm just defending what I perceive is a rather continuous attack on the idea of polarizing service to others. Everyone wants to "transcend polarity" but the fact is that you have to climb the ladder one rung at a time, and the Creation is deliberately designed this way after many experimentations. Most people are just trying to defend the legitimacy of the sinkhole. And there is plenty of legitimacy, but to actually do spiritual work while incarnated in 3rd density requires choosing a polarity. I believe on some level, everyone who participates on this forum wants to engage in that level of experience. It's just confusing on how to get there because The Law of One by Ra was specifically worded to leave everyone's free will in tact and not make the choice for them. So there is a lot of information that gets jumbled in people's heads when they read the Ra material. It's not until a polarity is decided upon and the path is followed that un-jumbling can begin to occur.
As far as who decides who is doing what mid-6th density, and why the STS path is more difficult, I was just sharing my interpretations of Ra's words in the quote I already posted:
Quote:The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.