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combining these information with the properties of various colors, rays, energies, vibrations that correspond to 8 chakras, numerous identifications and definitions can be made regarding any base color, and their carried meaning/feeling/understanding.
situation is to the contrary. currently, and since a while, incarnations are being done on a seniority basis. the more advanced entities which are near harvest are entering incarnations. moreover, there are 65+ million wanderers. not to mention that there has been a lot of spiritual text, channelings, approaches, philosophies put forward, to make a lot of terms, understandings, concepts much more common and everyday.
it has never been this easy to communicate anything spiritual in 3d on this planet.
noone can understand anything, if you do not communicate or share, or even attempt to do these.
you are talking of 1760 AD. i read it again and again, and im not mistaken.
then, your observation is erroneous. overall consciousness of entities on a given planet, actually any society, defines the nature of the life, qualities, nature, understanding of that society, or any given time of that society.
back 250 years ago and beyond, the equality of people wasnt even something that is propose-able in everyday life, and enslavement of different race entities was seen as proper and natural way of life. enslavement has been noted by Ra as one of the very important problems of this planet. yet, you are talking about higher consciousness in an era where majority of entities participating in it saw that as a normal, acceptable, and even 'good' thing.
and that is taking the most 'advanced' ones of them even, not the entirety of world. also, im leaving aside ALL the other properties of mid 18th century society too. from debasing and demeaning of women, to the existence and 'god given right' of nobility, aristocracy to rule, a plainly negative concept.
im still not sure, how you could have possibly said that.
consciousness doesnt move from mind to anywhere. consciousness is channeled to creation, and all the body, through mind, and as Ra said, all the thoughts, ideas, feelings, concepts exist in mind.
even if i take what you say in a metaphorical sense, what you feel with your heart, still is felt and happens in your mind, as Ra says.
that approach is erroneous. an entity's consciousness is at the level of its consciousness, regardless of what kind of body it is in. it doesnt change with going back to time/space, or being unable to manifest itself through the chosen body in physical. being a child doesnt matter too. if the entity is in 4d as a soul, it is a 4d soul. if its 6d, it will is a 6d soul. that wont change with being an infant or anything else. it wont have any relation to any kind of enlightenment either - it will just maintain the nature and feeling of its own density, provided that it can vibrate in that frequency as mind/body/spirit in astral space, despite its body is crippled.
so basically, you have seen a source of light, an entity that radiates light. this is what i understand from what you are saying.
leaving the fact that you cannot even start to communicate anything before attempting to communicate it, from what you said so far, what you describe can define both a 5d entity, or a 6d entity. both have in their nature and manifestation have the capability of manifesting as sources of light, and 6d entities' normal nature are sources of light, with a golden tint. ra said to don when queried, 'if we have manifested in our true form, you would perceive us as light'.
at this point i will refer you to the first few pages of book i, where existence, creation is defined. first, there is infinity. then, infinity becomes aware of itself. this, becomes the potentiated, intelligent infinity, infinite intelligence, aka, creator. what you call love ( questionable in what form, as we know love feeling in 4d ray, or, some other kind of understanding, this part is not clear) comes after that realization of infinite intelligence of its free will, and light, comes after that.
that puts existence of light 1 to 1.5 levels after the creator you speak of.
and, in the example you gave from an earthly religion to express your point, the creator you speak of exists, and says, let there be light, and there happens light. that also means that even with that example/approach, you cant put an experience of a manifestation of light as the creator you speak of, as itself. the creator you speak of is only followed by the existence of light.
it is not paradoxical. if someone got hit on the head with a hammer, they will still die, and they will go to being whatever density they belong to in core vibrations, after going to their formmaker 6d astral body (as Ra describes) immediately after death. there is no paradox in it, they may be tied to infinite existence like everything else that exists, yet, a hammer will still kill them if it lands in their head, provided that it lands with a strong force enough. they are illusory enough for that to happen.
going to become a part of a mind/body/spirit totality in a future vantage point, will not change this fact, or make it an illusion to speak about - its real in your reality framework. what you call illusion itself is the building block of reality. the term, and word reality, is defined with whatever set of rules and laws created in a certain locale - basically illusion IS reality. those words are interchangeable, and illusion, despite the fleeting meanings that are loaded onto it to attempt to debase and lessen the importance of this particular reality, will not change that reality. hammer will still hit them in the head and lay them on the ground. even if they lay on the ground, saying 'everything is just an illusion' it will still happen.
never mind.
again, regardless of how they perceive it, they will still die if anyone hits them in the head with a hammer with a force strong enough. it doesnt change with their perception.
a very blunt example, but very real.
please refer to the above. it doesnt matter whether you put all of us in the same basket and talk about the lessened importance of illusion and the existence of illusion.
all of us will die if someone hits us on the head with hammers with strong enough force.
what 'simply is', is the hammer here.
all you need to do was to describe a few aspects of your experience. feelings do not define an experience alone. both in space/time and time/space, existence of any kind of factors can influence or affect a feeling. you may be seeing a certain dream, vision, or a manifestation of an astral phenomenon, but due to various factors and entities being in the vicinity, you may be feeling something totally different. all aspects of an experience make up the totality of that experience.
its not misunderstood. a 6d entity manifestation would not only manifest like a sun (ra says part of 6d existence is spent by 6d beings by manifesting small suns and acting as a part of the sun in co creatorship) and also would convey feelings of unity, oneness (which include love, by the way) in the process.
on another note, 'unlike the sun' is a very unfortunate definition. when one beholds the sun with the right vibration, frequency, and mind, s/he will find that the sun is 'unlike the sun' too itself.
as you can remember from Ra, sun is the manifestation of the local logos, the local creative node, which is a direct part of the creator.
i have asked you a specific question with specific arguments. this question was asked after you have presented your certain experience as an argument against what me and some other members were maintaining as approaches. responding to that 'oh the illusion', does not accomplish, or mean anything.
if, one brings any experience to the table to share with people, if, one joins any discussion and exclaims a point, gives an advice on something, or tries to show any kind of way to any other entity, in any fashion, s/he should be ready to share all aspects of what s/he is bringing to the best of his/her ability. at this point, what has been done becomes a commitment. the person opens that experience, view to others. it is his/her responsibility to present any possible effort to convey anything. 'oh but you dont understand', or 'how can i possibly convey', remain way past beyond that point.
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in any case we have talked enough on that train of thought, and i feel it exhausted its usefulness. i have understood what i have asked you about your experience. i can say, with light heart, that it does not constitute an argument against what i have been maintaining so far. i have said enough in this particular post regarding this, i wont talk on this subject any longer. thank you for your participation.
(06-27-2010, 06:07 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I do not remember such exactness in Ra's words; I remember generalities which gave a glimpse, but nothing concrete. Can you perhaps provide for me a couple examples of what you say Ra said about fourth density? something specific which will further increase my immediate awareness of such?
http://lawofone.info/results.php?category=Densities
combining these information with the properties of various colors, rays, energies, vibrations that correspond to 8 chakras, numerous identifications and definitions can be made regarding any base color, and their carried meaning/feeling/understanding.
Quote:This is a beautiful concept, and one that I believe was capable of being manifested in the past. The present is less conducive to such, for there has been so much negative distortion to make such possible and acceptable. I have many people nowadays personally desiring for me to impart to them how I am able to remain in a state of what appears to them to be permanent bliss, yet I find that I think they would prefer a pill or medicine to knowing. Few do though water the seed of thought I place at their feet.
situation is to the contrary. currently, and since a while, incarnations are being done on a seniority basis. the more advanced entities which are near harvest are entering incarnations. moreover, there are 65+ million wanderers. not to mention that there has been a lot of spiritual text, channelings, approaches, philosophies put forward, to make a lot of terms, understandings, concepts much more common and everyday.
it has never been this easy to communicate anything spiritual in 3d on this planet.
Quote:You are correct that I may describe such, though as per your understanding of my description of my view of the One Creator, at its very core of being... has already proven this theory as being difficult to do, for you misunderstood and added context to what I said. The minute details and understanding which I garnered from the experience are such that I find them extremely difficult to explain accurately, and unless you experience the same, I can not begin to see how you would or could understand. I am not slighting you; I just don't see how you can fathom something that I think seems to you to be illusion, and that you clearly do not hold faith in, when to me this knowledge, understanding, and faith is absolutely real and unshakable.
noone can understand anything, if you do not communicate or share, or even attempt to do these.
Quote:I would suggest that today's world is so much different than the world of two hundred and beyond years ago. Although knowledge was not so available as it is now, the state of consciousness of many was at a higher level than it is today. Today it is all over the board, as it were, and the vast majority of mbsc reside in the lower extremes.
you are talking of 1760 AD. i read it again and again, and im not mistaken.
then, your observation is erroneous. overall consciousness of entities on a given planet, actually any society, defines the nature of the life, qualities, nature, understanding of that society, or any given time of that society.
back 250 years ago and beyond, the equality of people wasnt even something that is propose-able in everyday life, and enslavement of different race entities was seen as proper and natural way of life. enslavement has been noted by Ra as one of the very important problems of this planet. yet, you are talking about higher consciousness in an era where majority of entities participating in it saw that as a normal, acceptable, and even 'good' thing.
and that is taking the most 'advanced' ones of them even, not the entirety of world. also, im leaving aside ALL the other properties of mid 18th century society too. from debasing and demeaning of women, to the existence and 'god given right' of nobility, aristocracy to rule, a plainly negative concept.
im still not sure, how you could have possibly said that.
Quote:Logic can only take the third density seeker so far, at which point the consciousness must be moved from the mind to the heart in order to continue advancement. Yes, logic will take the seeker to that point faster, but logic/knowledge is not a required part of this third density existence, being that this is a density designed to make the choice.
consciousness doesnt move from mind to anywhere. consciousness is channeled to creation, and all the body, through mind, and as Ra said, all the thoughts, ideas, feelings, concepts exist in mind.
even if i take what you say in a metaphorical sense, what you feel with your heart, still is felt and happens in your mind, as Ra says.
Quote:The same goes for infants. Although knowing little, having forgotten everything due to the veil, their state of consciousness is such that they reside at a state slightly below enlightenment. Knowledge and experience in this modern world, for the most part do nothing but reduce that.
that approach is erroneous. an entity's consciousness is at the level of its consciousness, regardless of what kind of body it is in. it doesnt change with going back to time/space, or being unable to manifest itself through the chosen body in physical. being a child doesnt matter too. if the entity is in 4d as a soul, it is a 4d soul. if its 6d, it will is a 6d soul. that wont change with being an infant or anything else. it wont have any relation to any kind of enlightenment either - it will just maintain the nature and feeling of its own density, provided that it can vibrate in that frequency as mind/body/spirit in astral space, despite its body is crippled.
Quote:So, if I were to explain as such:Quote:And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
Since this is has been the accepted understanding of creation for two thousand years, is it acceptable as truth? Does it explain The One Creator having its Original Thought better than I did? What I saw I have come to understand to be the same thing, though this description was designed to allow people to understand, in a simple way, that which is complex. I could go into complexities, though they would no do justice to what I have seen, and one most likely would still not understand/believe because they need to experience it them self in order to. Again, this is not a slight; how can one explain what chocolate cake tastes like to those that have never tasted it?
Take a UFO sighting for example. I, with several others, had a UFO encounter before I was ten years of age. When telling others about it, they refuted it, telling the lot of us that had seen the UFO that we had seen a plane, or a helo, or a weather balloon, etc etc. I stopped telling people, but I know what I had seen, a really large round shiny metallic disk, with lights on the outer edge, hovering silently above the ground, which eventually left, accelerating into space unlike any technology we currently even know of. Explaining this still doesn't make you believe it. Although many would like to believe, they need that one time of personal tangible experience to get a firm hold on that belief, and even then, very often, they disbelieve the self. Faith is a difficult place to go to, as I have heard it said "It's like being blindfolded and stepping onto a staircase that you can't even see the first step".
so basically, you have seen a source of light, an entity that radiates light. this is what i understand from what you are saying.
leaving the fact that you cannot even start to communicate anything before attempting to communicate it, from what you said so far, what you describe can define both a 5d entity, or a 6d entity. both have in their nature and manifestation have the capability of manifesting as sources of light, and 6d entities' normal nature are sources of light, with a golden tint. ra said to don when queried, 'if we have manifested in our true form, you would perceive us as light'.
at this point i will refer you to the first few pages of book i, where existence, creation is defined. first, there is infinity. then, infinity becomes aware of itself. this, becomes the potentiated, intelligent infinity, infinite intelligence, aka, creator. what you call love ( questionable in what form, as we know love feeling in 4d ray, or, some other kind of understanding, this part is not clear) comes after that realization of infinite intelligence of its free will, and light, comes after that.
that puts existence of light 1 to 1.5 levels after the creator you speak of.
and, in the example you gave from an earthly religion to express your point, the creator you speak of exists, and says, let there be light, and there happens light. that also means that even with that example/approach, you cant put an experience of a manifestation of light as the creator you speak of, as itself. the creator you speak of is only followed by the existence of light.
Quote:I would say that one can be both, but that is incorrect. One IS both. One IS all. Only the perception of separateness exists. I understand this is paradoxical; it is meant to be. That is part of the illusion, THE reason for the implimentation of the veil, and the beginnings of coming to understand it as such.
it is not paradoxical. if someone got hit on the head with a hammer, they will still die, and they will go to being whatever density they belong to in core vibrations, after going to their formmaker 6d astral body (as Ra describes) immediately after death. there is no paradox in it, they may be tied to infinite existence like everything else that exists, yet, a hammer will still kill them if it lands in their head, provided that it lands with a strong force enough. they are illusory enough for that to happen.
going to become a part of a mind/body/spirit totality in a future vantage point, will not change this fact, or make it an illusion to speak about - its real in your reality framework. what you call illusion itself is the building block of reality. the term, and word reality, is defined with whatever set of rules and laws created in a certain locale - basically illusion IS reality. those words are interchangeable, and illusion, despite the fleeting meanings that are loaded onto it to attempt to debase and lessen the importance of this particular reality, will not change that reality. hammer will still hit them in the head and lay them on the ground. even if they lay on the ground, saying 'everything is just an illusion' it will still happen.
Quote:This above sentence(s?) is not structured correctly and as such does not make sense. Can you rephrase?
never mind.
Quote:Only if you perceive it as such, and again, this is why the veil was implemented, so to give this perception.
again, regardless of how they perceive it, they will still die if anyone hits them in the head with a hammer with a force strong enough. it doesnt change with their perception.
a very blunt example, but very real.
Quote:I placed myself above nothing, stating you are the same, as we all are. If you know it then you you know it as truth, and if you do not, then it is the truth which you do not know. There is no wrong or right in this. It simply is.
please refer to the above. it doesnt matter whether you put all of us in the same basket and talk about the lessened importance of illusion and the existence of illusion.
all of us will die if someone hits us on the head with hammers with strong enough force.
what 'simply is', is the hammer here.
Quote:I'm sorry, again, for the misunderstanding. I am apparently unable to explain properly what I have seen, Creation. This method of vibratory sound complex communication is limited at best. I am unable to fully convey to you what I have seen, no matter what words I use. Consider this if you will. A man says to his wife "I love you". Another man walks up behind his wife, kisses her on the neck, embraces her, and says nothing. Which of the two experiences communicates the feeling better? If you agree that the second one does, then perhaps you might accept the difficulty in explaining that which was shown me without words. I believe I began a thread on this. Perhaps you might find that and refer to my specific thoughts at the time I had the experience.
all you need to do was to describe a few aspects of your experience. feelings do not define an experience alone. both in space/time and time/space, existence of any kind of factors can influence or affect a feeling. you may be seeing a certain dream, vision, or a manifestation of an astral phenomenon, but due to various factors and entities being in the vicinity, you may be feeling something totally different. all aspects of an experience make up the totality of that experience.
Quote:As I said, "somewhat like a sun, though very unlike a sun". I knew when I wrote that, that it would be misunderstood... the more important part of that is the "unlike a sun". The Creator is made of both love and light, and the visual part of that is a brilliant white light.
its not misunderstood. a 6d entity manifestation would not only manifest like a sun (ra says part of 6d existence is spent by 6d beings by manifesting small suns and acting as a part of the sun in co creatorship) and also would convey feelings of unity, oneness (which include love, by the way) in the process.
on another note, 'unlike the sun' is a very unfortunate definition. when one beholds the sun with the right vibration, frequency, and mind, s/he will find that the sun is 'unlike the sun' too itself.
as you can remember from Ra, sun is the manifestation of the local logos, the local creative node, which is a direct part of the creator.
Quote: Because you do not understand what I said does not mean it was irrelevant; it means you do not understand it.
i have asked you a specific question with specific arguments. this question was asked after you have presented your certain experience as an argument against what me and some other members were maintaining as approaches. responding to that 'oh the illusion', does not accomplish, or mean anything.
if, one brings any experience to the table to share with people, if, one joins any discussion and exclaims a point, gives an advice on something, or tries to show any kind of way to any other entity, in any fashion, s/he should be ready to share all aspects of what s/he is bringing to the best of his/her ability. at this point, what has been done becomes a commitment. the person opens that experience, view to others. it is his/her responsibility to present any possible effort to convey anything. 'oh but you dont understand', or 'how can i possibly convey', remain way past beyond that point.
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in any case we have talked enough on that train of thought, and i feel it exhausted its usefulness. i have understood what i have asked you about your experience. i can say, with light heart, that it does not constitute an argument against what i have been maintaining so far. i have said enough in this particular post regarding this, i wont talk on this subject any longer. thank you for your participation.