09-01-2010, 07:24 PM
(09-01-2010, 01:58 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I'm with Ali on this one. It is purely speculative that the bird might still exist. We don't know that. We are all relative to one another.
Maybe the bird does still exist. We don't know and have no way of knowing.
bird exists ; you are observing and experiencing it. even if you were wired to a simulator, and there wasnt an actual bird, but a conceptual bird that was affecting you or your perception, there would still be existing a bird in the existence you were experiencing.
one may venture forth to resemble all existence to a simulator, then attempt to dub the existence 'illusory' at that point, and some do.
however, the thing they miss here is that, the very presence of bird in the simulator is what we define as 'existing', and as far as the invented existence concept goes, that bird exists. there is no other concept of 'existence' -> this is existence. it doesnt matter whether one calls it 'illusion' or not.
it is not an 'illusion' even from the perspective of infinity. the bird, all the experiences related to it, exist, and are part of that infinity, indispensably. without their existence in infinity, infinity wont be infinite anymore.
Quote:Key word here being distortion.
Infinity has no distortion. Wink
Creation is a part of the infinite, sure, but it's a distortion. Thus, when describing creation, we're describing a distortion of the infinite, not infinity.
The statement You're claiming that the infinite cannot create thus creation is not part of the infinite seems to include an assumption. To say that infinite cannot create is not the same thing as saying creation is not part of the infinite.
Infinity cannot create because creating implies a new action. Infinity already includes all action....infinite actions. Hence, the statement infinity cannot create is true while the statement infinity contains creation is also, simultaneously, true. There is no paradox.
that.
(09-01-2010, 06:13 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Infinity has the ability to show it self in infinite ways.
the example/analysis starts handicapped and wrong from the start; infinity does not 'show' itself. infinity includes the concept of showing, 'self', the beholder (the focus that whatever is being shown to) and the one showing. not only that, but infinite numbers of the act you describe have already happened, is happening and going to happen, inside infinity. there is no way to 'show itself'. it contains all the states of showing and being shown and beholding as infinity.
only parts of it, limited parts, can get limited to its parts - > can be the shower and the showed, beholder, and also the act of showing, and concept of perceiving.
infinity cannot be any of these, because, if it gets limited, its infinity no more.
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my opinion is, your thoughts and procedures are still way too fixated in the existing societal perceptions and experiences and the ways of societal mind.
i suggest the below :
step 1 : think of something, a concept, a state, an action, anything. the wildest version of it you can imagine. that exists within infinity.
step 2 : repeat step 1