The mysterious nature of time

[Oceania]

well said Monkey! the past is unknowable as well. and i would like to submit that there are many timelines and all are valid if we want them to be. it's a personal choice.

[Confused]

Guys, I would like you to know that I am only exploring and seeking. I know nothing about all this. However, the nature of Time is an important part of my quest to understand the universe. Oceania, M, 3 and others interested -- care to share your views on this.

[3DMonkey]

My view: fun round table

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My view: fun round table

Yes, it all comes down to that in the end. Where is the end?

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I wonder - is Time both a fixed continuum and an emergent paradigm? The present moment being the catalyst for emerging the future.

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[Meerie]

In one of DC's books she quotes an extraterrestrial saying that humans are the only ones who are measuring something that does not exist - time

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In one of DC's books she quotes an extraterrestrial saying that humans are the only ones who are measuring something that does not exist - time

Do you have more to share on this, please, Meerie? Sounds very interesting. Is there more to that from the book?

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[Meerie]

In one of DC's books she quotes an extraterrestrial saying that humans are the only ones who are measuring something that does not exist - time

Do you have more to share on this, please, Meerie? Sounds very interesting. Is there more to that from the book?

As a matter of fact I do not even recall which book it was. But that sentence stuck in my mind. I do not think they dwelled on the subject of time more than that. And they said that in reality all things are occurring simultaneously, since there is no time.
edit: could have been it was from the "Conversations with Nostradamus":

"One of the strangest revelations that occurred during our work was that Nostradamus declared through everyone I worked with that:...'I was not speaking to the dead when we communicated!!'....He said he was Not A Spirit floating around somewhere. When we communicated I was speaking to him while he was alive living in France in the 1500s, and while he was writing his quatrains. He was so emphatic about this that he did not want to know his own future. He did not want to know how he would die. If this declaration is true, then it suggests a complicated metaphysical concept. The concept of simultaneous time:...that there is no time.... The concept that everything is occurring at once. I truly interacted in his life while we worked. "
Dolores Cannon established contact with Nostradamus during a regression session with a person who was a disciple of Nostrad. in one of her pastlives. Suddenly Nostradamus "entered" during the regression and DC was able to ask him questions.

[AnthroHeart]

If I recall, the measurement of time started with the industrial revolution. They wanted a way to make sure that trains could be synchronized with departures and arrivals and scheduling. Or was that the invention of the clock?

Now that i think about it they had sundials and such for keeping track of a day since antiquity.

[3DMonkey]

Didn't we just read that Ra said the universe is like a clock. The moon cycle is a clock. The seasons are a clock.

[Meerie]

Edit: removed because of heretic content
I just checked the meaning of the name clock: apparently "Clock" is an Irish boy name and it means "famous, renowned".
so yes, the universe is famous, and the moon and the seasons, too

[Confused]

He said he was Not A Spirit floating around somewhere. When we communicated I was speaking to him while he was alive living in France in the 1500s, and while he was writing his quatrains. He was so emphatic about this that he did not want to know his own future. He did not want to know how he would die. If this declaration is true, then it suggests a complicated metaphysical concept. The concept of simultaneous time:...that there is no time.... The concept that everything is occurring at once. I truly interacted in his life while we worked. "

There you go! Did you realise, Meerie, that you have clearly described the fundamentals of the theory of the 'Block Universe'. If what DC says about Nostradamus is true, then where is Free Will? In that sense, I find this response from Ra very curious (from 54.13) --

Ra: I am Ra. We wish no quibbling but prefer to avoid the use of terms such as the verb, to allow. Free will does not allow, nor would predetermination disallow, experiential distortions. Rather the Law of Confusion offers a free reach for the energies of each mind/body/spirit complex. The verb, to allow, would be considered pejorative in that it suggests a polarity between right and wrong or allowed and not allowed. This may seem a minuscule point. However, to our best way of thinking it bears some weight.

How can free will NOT allow experiential distortions?! :-/ I don't understand at all.

[Meerie]

i think Ra is only here to add to the Law of Confusion. Maybe I should not have removed my anti-Ra comment

[Confused]

Maybe I should not have removed my anti-Ra comment

What anti-Ra comment did you make?

[Meerie]

After monkey said "well Ra says the universe is like a clock" I said "who cares what Ra says"
Ra talks like Sheldon in bigbangtheory
Edit: I correct myself, I understand what Sheldon says better, I think

[Confused]

I said "who cares what Ra says"

The problem is also the fact that Ra does not care whether we care

[Meerie]

why should that be a problem?

[3DMonkey]

Did y'all read this discussion?

[Meerie]

why ? should we? I do not like apples, nor bananas, therefore I think I will refrain from doing so

[3DMonkey]

why ? should we? I do not like apples, nor bananas, therefore I think I will refrain from doing so

OMG!!! Meerie!!! This statement really and truly creeped me out. AH!!!.... Then I moved on to the next most recent post... WHOOSH!!! What a relief. I thought YOU were bananas for a minute. (my orange ray center is still churning with creeped out after shocks)

[Meerie]

hehe... this one goes into my book. managed to creep out a scorpio rising person. Well done Meerie!

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(my orange ray center is still churning with creeped out after shocks)

by the way I don't really dig oranges either - must be some orange ray blockage

[Confused]

Did y'all read this discussion?

Excellent discussion and truly profound points there by you, 3. I think people are not able to relate to the fact that you are focusing at the root of the problem rather than pruning the branches. That is why probably the semantic confusion in discussion. Just my two cents.

I liked this from you very much --

If Free Will is absolute and I existed as an entity, I would not choose to be subjected to the Law of Confusion; neither would I need to continue within subjection to the Law of Confusion.... I would simply Will my way out.

This is why I maintain that Free Will is a mysterious spiritual inheritance. IMO, it is a mind complex creation to label the nature of the spirit complex.

I hope to have advanced discussions here with respect to free will and time. I think they both are closely related somehow. We could try together to understand it. There is power in a group.

[3DMonkey]

hehe... this one goes into my book. managed to creep out a scorpio rising person. Well done Meerie!

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(my orange ray center is still churning with creeped out after shocks)

by the way I don't really dig oranges either - must be some orange ray blockage

ooooo... I see an upcoming book in your future Eat Right for Your Energy Light

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Stephen Hawking's Universe: Black Hole Time

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