"Spiritual Correctness"

[Minyatur]

he's on a phone. phones suck.

I always have a hard time with B4 on my phone. 

[Bluebell]

i'm just giving u a hard time because i like ur freckles

You're giving him a hard time because he wants to be a mirror and as such opens himself to be mirrored back. 

And the mirror game begins! 

the infinity mirror ping pong game is a brainsore. 

[Minyatur]

i'm just giving u a hard time because i like ur freckles

You're giving him a hard time because he wants to be a mirror and as such opens himself to be mirrored back. 

And the mirror game begins! 

the infinity mirror ping pong game is a brainsore. 

It goes on and on and never ends, we've been at it for more than we think and it continues forever until the brain sore reduces us to nothingness.

[Turtle]

LOL i didn't ask for a psych evaluation.

But see that's what the forums could be used for and why many people have left. The forums can be a tool for all of us to be the mirrors needed to allow for a greater evolution of self through such analysis. Yet when honesty and potential service occur,  we get lambasted.  

Let it be ok that not everyone on this site can handle that.

[Bluebell]

don't let Jeremy hear u say that! he loves it

[Bluebell]

Let it be ok that not everyone on this site can handle that.

  oh heeere we go... the shoe is always on the other foot. people can't just choose not to have a drive by psych eval from a random stranger without some "can't handle it" problem.

[Bluebell]

and here's some more, monsieur...

[Minyatur]

That's called ressitance and it is the most natural thing in Creation.

Someone can shove mustard down my throat to make me appreciate it, but that ain't gonna work as I'll puke it back to his face.

[Bluebell]

That's called ressitance and it is the most natural thing in Creation.

Someone can shove mustard down my throat to make me appreciate it, but that ain't gonna work as I'll puke it back to his face.

la résistance!

[Shawnna]

Let it be ok that not everyone on this site can handle that.

If the goal is to create an insulated community of individuals who 'can handle that' - then certainly that's the way to go.



If, however, the goal is to welcome those who are searching and looking for a welcoming community of individuals who are compassionate, honest, sensitive and focused on our spiritual evolution, I think we would need to rethink that approach.

[Minyatur]

This forum is a social memory complex inter-balancing itself, it would be dull without fluctuations of some sort, that happen because of there being different perspectives.

We're all just people that wanted to be here

[Shawnna]

This forum is a social memory complex inter-balancing itself, it would be dull without fluctuations of some sort, that happen because of there being different perspectives.

We're all just people that wanted to be here

Exactly!

We are all just people - who are sharing a search for meaning.



Perhaps we need to think about whether what we are doing, as a community of like-minded people, driving 'others' away, or drawing 'other' searchers into our warm and welcoming community of seekers.

The bigger the circle, the more opportunity for different perspectives.

[Minyatur]

This forum is a social memory complex inter-balancing itself, it would be dull without fluctuations of some sort, that happen because of there being different perspectives.

We're all just people that wanted to be here

Exactly!  

We are all just people - who are sharing a search for meaning.



Perhaps we need to think about whether what we are doing, as a community of like-minded people, driving 'others' away, or drawing 'other' searchers into our warm and welcoming community of seekers.  

The bigger the circle, the more opportunity for different perspectives.

Why do you feel the need for others to be different than they are?

[Shawnna]

[Shawnna]

{snip}

Why do you feel the need for others to be different than they are?

I don't.



I do believe if we are to evolve as a species, we need a critical mass of individuals who share a foundation of Love and service to others.  (I believe this is consistent with the Law of One philosophy).

Drawing other searchers in to this community means we all must look within and ask ourselves if what we are doing is, in fact, serving others.

[Splash]

just briefly, I'm not trying to "turn this thread into a discussion re gender roles"...

I wanted to say (and did) that comparing spiritual correctness and political correctness is (to me) a "false equivalency"


what this means is that I'm saying they aren't comparable...

I have the right to reply with that as the original OP refers to them both.

I briefly mention the difference in the 2 (as I perceive it).. which necessitated mention of privilege (the most clear example of which being that of whites and males.)

That's how gender came into it.

That's all.

Splash, I think that those of us here on Bring 4th are really getting tired of the fact that you're always trying to debate people, line for line, on points that are not really even controversial. I thought that Plenum posted a very interesting OP that, if you read between the lines, didn't really have anything to do with political correctness. It just seems strange that, no matter what anybody posts, you always have to go into "debate mode."

It also bothers me that you're trying to open up a line of debate with Plenum of all people. Are you trying to imply that Plen is in any way insensitive about anything? It's just so absolutely asinine at this point. It just seems like you have some type of cookie-cutter, activist agenda with everything that everybody posts. You need to learn to adapt to the mode of the conversation.

"Splash, I think that those of us here on Bring 4th are really getting tired of the fact that you're..."

Did you take a poll? Is there some meeting area where you and dozens of other people convened to conclude this?

"...that you're always trying to debate people, line for line, on points that are not really even controversial."

"always?"  NO - not "always"  - but even if I am - SO WHAT? it's a really effective way of responding to peoples posts, it shows my effort, commitment and interest in what a person is saying, my interest in directly addressing their ideas.

It can be a bit time consuming, but it's what I sometimes do -and certainly better than "skimming" peoples posts and then replying from an inaccurate or only partial understanding of what they've written.
You don't like my attention to detail? - put me on ignore mode.

"I thought that Plenum posted a very interesting OP that, if you read between the lines, didn't really have anything to do with political correctness."

Ummm NO - Plenum directly mentions "political correctness" in his OP - AND EQUATES IT WITH SPIRITUAL CORRECTNESS.

"It just seems strange that, no matter what anybody posts, you always have to go into "debate mode.".."

NO not "always" and even if I did.. SO WHAT? - ignore me if you want - because you don't have the right to try to stop me expressing myself.

"It also bothers me that you're trying to open up a line of debate with Plenum of all people.

WHAT? I can't give a reply to another forum members post because they are also a moderator?

Are you trying to imply that Plen is in any way insensitive about anything?"
NO... but if he was - I would say it outright.. not "imply"... (I didn't know we had a 'Plenum Is Infallible Fanclub' here at Bring4 - 0_0)  

"It's just so absolutely asinine at this point. It just seems like you have some type of cookie-cutter, activist agenda with everything that everybody posts. You need to learn to adapt to the mode of the conversation.

"Asinine" = "extremely stupid or utterly foolish" (Merriam-Webster) - saying this about me is a breach of forum rules Lighthead.

"cookie-cutter, activist agenda" nope... I have decades of learning and experience in environmental protection and animal and human rights issues, but I DISCERN what I feel is right and fair and form my OWN ideas, no one group or political movement speaks for me or dictates my thinking.

I'm expressing my ideas and perspectives - which you disagree with - so you label them as "cookie-cutter, activist agenda" - yet - you have your own "agenda" as you are clearly showing ... to either modify my posts or silence me... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

"with everything that everyone posts" NOPE there are hundreds of OP's and threads and replies that I have nothing to do with -and if I decide to express myself on hundreds of threads... that's my prerogative...

"You need to learn to adapt to the mode of the conversation"...  

aahhh... Lighthead - you need to stop being arrogant by calling me "asinine" and telling me what to do and how to express myself...

[Minyatur]

Let it be ok that not everyone on this site can handle that.

If the goal is to create an insulated community of individuals who 'can handle that' - then certainly that's the way to go.



If, however, the goal is to welcome those who are searching and looking for a welcoming community of individuals who are compassionate, honest, sensitive and focused on our spiritual evolution, I think we would need to rethink that approach.

I personally do not think there is a goal nor a way for this forum to be. There's people and if someone comes and does not resonate with the current members I sincerely do not think it is anyone's fault. 

The LOO teaches us to be true to ourselves, I wouldn't ask anyone to not be true to themselves, whatever it creates.

We're pandora's box, and pandora's box contains many different kind of things and that's surely the purpose of it. 

[Minyatur]

{snip}

Why do you feel the need for others to be different than they are?

I don't.



I do believe if we are to evolve as a species, we need a critical mass of individuals who share a foundation of Love and service to others.  (I believe this is consistent with the Law of One philosophy).

Drawing other searchers in to this community means we all must look within and ask ourselves if what we are doing is, in fact, serving others.

What if the kind of community you want wouldn't scare away some people it did, but would instead make others leave because it wouldn't provide the degree of freedom they need of this place?

Would that be STO in itself? 

[Splash]

I feel there is a 'clique' here of people that have been interacting for a long while with each other, and it is quite difficult for others to express themselves here...

I know for definite that numerous people leave or deactivate their accounts with Bring4 because of this clique phenomena... and threads often devolve into personal interaction energy, with people supporting people they know and being mistrustful or insecure about newcomers...

[Splash]

{snip}

Why do you feel the need for others to be different than they are?

I don't.



I do believe if we are to evolve as a species, we need a critical mass of individuals who share a foundation of Love and service to others.  (I believe this is consistent with the Law of One philosophy).

Drawing other searchers in to this community means we all must look within and ask ourselves if what we are doing is, in fact, serving others.

What if the kind of community you want wouldn't scare away some people it did, but would instead make others leave because it wouldn't provide the degree of freedom they need of this place?

Would that be STO in itself? 

? the degree of freedom to call names,
to try to silence others,
to get personal, and passive/aggressive?
to be sexist and racist?
to be snide,
to bully?

why would B4 want it's members to have that kind of freedom?

You see people get "scared away" most usually for really valid, understandable reasons...

[Minyatur]

I feel there is a 'clique' here of people that have been interacting for a long while with each other, and it is quite difficult for others to express themselves here...

I know for definite that numerous people leave or deactivate their accounts with Bring4 because of this clique phenomena... and threads often devolve into personal interaction energy, with people supporting people they know and being mistrustful or insecure about newcomers...

Or rather they are simply people that think alike. It surely weights more and balances things more a certain way. This is true anywhere and anywhen. 

I do think everyone on this forum is open to change and to learn, everyone is a mirror unto others and others a mirror unto them. We change with time inevitably as we face self and other-selves. what is not needed fades away by itself.

[Lighthead]

@Splash

The fact that you went, line for line, point for point, again, evidenced the situation better than I could have.

And by the way, the word asinine was a poor choice of words. I was going for another term, but because I was busy at the time went with that even though I was going for another description. I apologize for that. I was being asinine.

[Shawnna]

{snip}

Why do you feel the need for others to be different than they are?

I don't.



I do believe if we are to evolve as a species, we need a critical mass of individuals who share a foundation of Love and service to others.  (I believe this is consistent with the Law of One philosophy).

Drawing other searchers in to this community means we all must look within and ask ourselves if what we are doing is, in fact, serving others.

What if the kind of community you want wouldn't scare away some people it did, but would instead make others leave because it wouldn't provide the degree of freedom they need of this place?

Would that be STO in itself? 

No - creating, and intentionally maintaining a community that makes others leave because they feel they are not accepted for who they are in their own unique spiritual path, is absolutely STS.

Until we recognize that what we are doing is, in fact, harming other seekers, we will never move forward as individuals, or as a community.

[Minyatur]

@Splash, Shawnna

Even if I respond to certain things you say, that does not mean I do not take parts of it as meaningful as to what I want to do personally.

We're people talking.

[Shawnna]

I feel there is a 'clique' here of people that have been interacting for a long while with each other, and it is quite difficult for others to express themselves here...

I know for definite that numerous people leave or deactivate their accounts with Bring4 because of this clique phenomena... and threads often devolve into personal interaction energy, with people supporting people they know and being mistrustful or insecure about newcomers...

There is a 'clique' here - and it is totally understandable.  My sense is it's quite likely true that a good many have met each other in person at Homecoming.  So that's why I believe it is understandable.

The question is, does this community want to be a loving, open, accepting community of seekers?  Or does it want to be a clique of individuals who've met in person?



Honestly - the idea of going to 'Homecoming' to meet some of these individuals leaves me .........  not wanting to buy a plane ticket.

:-/

[Shawnna]

@Splash, Shawna

Even if I respond to certain things you say, that does not mean I do not take parts of it as meaningful as to what I want to do personally.

We're people talking.

"Shawnna" is spelled with two N's. S-h-a-w-n-n-a

[Minyatur]

I feel there is a 'clique' here of people that have been interacting for a long while with each other, and it is quite difficult for others to express themselves here...

I know for definite that numerous people leave or deactivate their accounts with Bring4 because of this clique phenomena... and threads often devolve into personal interaction energy, with people supporting people they know and being mistrustful or insecure about newcomers...

There is a 'clique' here - and it is totally understandable.  My sense is it's quite likely true that a good many have met each other in person at Homecoming.  So that's why I believe it is understandable.

The question is, does this community want to be a loving, open, accepting community of seekers?  Or does it want to a clique of individuals who've met in person?



Honestly - the idea of going to 'Homecoming' to meet some of these individuals leaves me .........  not wanting to buy a plane ticket.

:-/

I've never met anyone of this forum (except a very good friend that I've made register), and I persomally do not have any problem with anyone. I seek people to talk with to expend my ideas, share them and hear those of others.

As I like the forum for what it is, I share my own perspective of it.

[Splash]

@Splash

The fact that you went, line for line, point for point, again, evidenced the situation better than I could have.

And by the way, the word asinine was a poor choice of words. I was going for another term, but because I was busy at the time went with that even though I was going for another description. I apologize for that. I was being asinine.

YEP.. I went line for line again!! OH !! THE SIMULATED HORROR !! (how agonising for you!)

Your apology for the ass word is welcomed and I thank you for it.  



"Raj: What now?

Sheldon: A Godzilla-like monster is approaching the city. I have to get my people to safety.

'People of Sheldonopolis, this is your mayor.

Follow me.

If the children can’t run, leave them behind.'

Oh, the simulated horror!

(Sound of door slamming)

Raj?

Just as I suspected.

Meditation is nothing but hokum."

[APeacefulWarrior]

I'm relatively new here but I haven't felt any particular exclusion. Of course, some of the folks around here know each other well, but that's just a natural consequence of this forum having been around for years and years. It takes new members awhile to become known in any established "club," no matter what format it takes. That's just life. I'd drive myself nuts if I tried to believe that this was somehow deliberate exclusion rather than a simple consequence of being a newbie in an established community.

Anyway, we've really gotten far away from the actual topic of the conversation in this thread. Is there anything that we -probably a bit more enlightened than most- can do to help other people understand that there is no One True Spirituality and that it's really not helpful to try to force everyone into the same set of philosophical beliefs?

Obviously, the negs are gonna neg, but it seems to me a lot of everyday people in the middle are "trapped" within control-based systems and simply don't see any other way of behaving. How might we help them to see the true freedom inherent in Intelligent Infinity and understand that there's no real requirement to adhere to ANY specific creed or code or philosophy, except as a matter of individual choice?

[Shawnna]

I'm relatively new here but I haven't felt any particular exclusion.  Of course, some of the folks around here know each other well, but that's just a natural consequence of this forum having been around for years and years.  It takes new members awhile to become known in any established "club," no matter what format it takes.  That's just life.  I'd drive myself nuts if I tried to believe that this was somehow deliberate exclusion rather than a simple consequence of being a newbie in an established community.

Anyway, we've really gotten far away from the actual topic of the conversation in this thread.  Is there anything that we -probably a bit more enlightened than most- can do to help other people understand that there is no One True Spirituality and that it's really not helpful to try to force everyone into the same set of philosophical beliefs?

My sense is when we, even for a moment, somehow feel we are a 'bit more enlightened than most', we need to step back and ask ourselves why we would go there.

Obviously, the negs are gonna neg, but it seems to me a lot of everyday people in the middle are "trapped" within control-based systems and simply don't see any other way of behaving.  How might we help them to see the true freedom inherent in Intelligent Infinity and understand that there's no real requirement to adhere to ANY specific creed or code or philosophy, except as a matter of individual choice?

By lovingly accepting them for who they are, and where they are, in their own, unique spiritual path.  

By recognizing that it isn't necessary to create in-your-face catalyst to inspire introspection and spiritual growth.