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    07-29-2016, 02:47 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 03:51 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    (07-28-2016, 05:45 PM)YinYang Wrote: I think you are neglecting the essence of what Ra has said here, without participating in the battle, it's bye-bye positive polarity... so it's a balancing act, which also balances 3D. Also, we're in 3D, we are not even approaching the wisdom density yet.

    Nothing says one cannot seek wisdom while incarnated. The entire philosophy of the Buddha, for example, is largely predicated on the idea that wisdom IS accessible while on Earth, if one seeks it. Likewise, Jesus taught a mixed fourth/fifth density philosophy with an emphasis on doing service for others, even those one would consider an enemy. Both of them seemed to be pretty well-regarded by Ra as teachers.

    In the larger scheme, please don't forget that Positive entities outnumber Negatives by roughly 10:1. There would be no way for the positive polarity to go bye-bye, especially considering that the battles cease above 4D in any case. Ra was referring to the Battle for Earth, so to speak, not a grander battle of polarities for cosmic domination. After all, the end stage is unity, and the embrace of both polarities as a single energetic whole, which would render such efforts at domination entirely pointless on their face. Even a negative entity which became, shall we say, unwisely overambitious and attempted to absorb/dominate large numbers of positive entities would find their own polarity lessened with each new addition, thus pushing them towards unity whether they desired it or not. Balance, as always, would be the true overall victor.

    (Imagine a game of Go where every time a piece was flipped, it became somewhat darker/lighter than it originally began. As the game wore on, the pieces would become increasingly hard to distinguish, until they all approached equal greyness. As a broad metaphor, I'd say this is what an endless "battle" of polarities might look like. Which is, in turn, part of why entities eventually move away from such a game because they still seek to preserve their inherent lightness/darkness for longer.)

    And while I'm quite fond of the Earth too, I still recognize that it's only a tiny speck of dust in the cosmic whole.

    So again, I'm not telling you whether or not to fight. That is your choice. I'm just suggesting you to look at the bigger picture and recognize that these are choices you are making, rather than being somehow fated or demanded by circumstance. I choose to play along with such battles myself, from time to time, as I find it desirous to do so. I just always try to keep in mind the arbitrary nature of such games and retain love/appreciation for the opponents who allow me opportunity to play them.

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    07-29-2016, 04:38 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 04:53 AM by YinYang.)
    I didn't say you can't seek wisdom while incarnated, I consider love and wisdom two sides of the same coin. In fact, Ra said many wanderers return to 3D because they haven't quite perfected the balance between love and wisdom. The healing exercises also have as their aim a balance between love and wisdom. What I said was you can't apply a 5D evolutionary level or 5D wisdom to 3D or 4D.

    The fact that the positive polarity outnumbers the negative polarity 10 to 1 is inconsequential in terms of battle, Ra said their power is the same, and Ra called it a battle of equals. And because it is a battle of equals, the positive polarity can't allow themselves to be placed under the heel, and as a result be of no consequence. When I said "going bye-bye" I meant the specific 4D group who is targeted by Orion in that specific instance, not the positive polarity across the creation. Balance would indeed be the overall victor as you say, and that balance in 4D is achieved by the negative polarity failing to control, and the positive polarity failing to accept, in other words participating in the battle, because Ra said they consider the alternative unviable. Ra also said battle lacks wisdom, but 4D as a whole lacks 5D wisdom, which brings me back to the evolutionary levels and their actions and "limits of viewpoint".

    I also think the example you use of the game, where black and white blends into grey isn't appropriate, because in 6D white remains, because it is "the path which is" and black switches to white, because black is the "path which is not". Unity is the truth, and separation is a lie.

    To bring us back to earth, and the saga of polarity, we have innumerable examples of one side refusing to accept what the other side has to offer. Again I will use real life examples of acts that society in general deems unacceptable. We didn't say, don't worry Charles Manson or Ted Bundy, we are all one, go in peace. Which was precisely why I repeatedly referred to the justice system and law and order, because that's our current evolutionary level, and we deem the alternative unviable, which would be mayhem. Where would refraining from battle in Nazi Germany have left us? When Hitler invaded Russia, should the Russians have refrained from battle?  

    My point is basically that we are not at Ra's level where the polarities have been harmonised, and where the paradoxes have a solution. Having the grand overview which Ra gave us is certainly a comfort, something to look forward too, but we're not there yet.

    The entity which targeted Carla and them was 5D, he stepped in when his 4D minions had failed, so the "contest" persists into 5D.

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    07-29-2016, 05:26 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 05:37 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    (07-29-2016, 04:38 AM)YinYang Wrote: I didn't say you can't seek wisdom while incarnated, I consider love and wisdom two sides of the same coin. In fact, Ra said many wanderers return to 3D because they haven't quite perfected the balance between love and wisdom. The healing exercises also have as their aim a balance between love and wisdom. What I said was you can't apply a 5D evolutionary level or 5D wisdom to 3D or 4D.

    ...

    Ra also said battle lacks wisdom, but 4D as a whole lacks 5D wisdom, which brings me back to the evolutionary levels and their actions and "limits of viewpoint".

    I don't believe Ra or any other major channeled entity ever said that "you can't apply a 5D evolutionary level or 5D wisdom to 3D or 4D," specifically.  5D wisdom is applicable where it can be made applicable.  We've had many past Wanderer-Teachers dispensing 5D wisdom.  The Buddha's may have even been 6D, since nirvana\unity is the ultimate goal and can be worked towards during incarnation.

    Disregarding aspects of wisdom is a choice, not an imperative.  

    Quote:I also think the example you use of the game, where black and white blends into grey isn't appropriate, because in 6D white remains, because it is "the path which is" and black switches to white, because black is the "path which is not". Unity is the truth, and separation is a lie.

    This isn't a game of black vs white where white is fated to "win."  It simply isn't.  I'm not sure what I can say to help you understand this, but unity does not mean "unity once all the negatives have gone away."  I can just refer you to what Ra said in his very first session:

    Quote:In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

    There is no right and wrong.  There is no polarity.  You are ALL things.  ALL beings.  ALL events.  There are no caveats, ifs, except-fors, or buts in that paragraph.  You are both the "negative" and the "positive" and they are both simultaneously eternal and nonexistent.  Unity is reconciling and understanding those apparent contradictions, not the elimination of those on the other 'team'.

    White and black are both distortions stemming from the illusion of separation. They are the dance which we use to amuse ourselves - Ra's own term.

    Quote:To bring us back to earth, and the saga of polarity, we have innumerable examples of one side refusing to accept what the other side has to offer. Again I will use real life examples of acts that society in general deems unacceptable. We didn't say, don't worry Charles Manson or Ted Bundy, we are all one, go in peace. Which was precisely why I repeatedly referred to the justice system and law and order, because that's our current evolutionary level, and we deem the alternative unviable, which would be mayhem. Where would refraining from battle in Nazi Germany have left us? When Hitler invaded Russia, should the Russians have refrained from battle?  

    And those are all arbitrary choices.  There is nothing dictating that these things must be, aside from the collective opinion of many entities who all find them personally desirable at the moment.  THAT is the point I'm trying to communicate here.  After all, even if this particular version of Earth did become unlivable by our current standards, there are uncountable more worlds -and infinite timelines for each world- which also exist.

    Remember (16.53): You may consider any possibility/probability complex as having an existence.  ie, the Nazis didn't lose in every timeline. These things you fear coming to pass already exist, just not in the particular infinitesimal slice of spacetime we currently reside in.

    Choose to participate in such battles if you like.   I certainly wouldn't relish the thought of, say, living in a world underneath the thumb of ISIS.  But please understand these battles are still wholly arbitrary and based on absolutely nothing except voluntary restrictions we invent for ourselves as we continue to experiment in the grand game called 3D veiled incarnation. They are truly nothing but choices in how we spend a particular incarnation, and are not mandated by any power higher than our own free will.

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    07-29-2016, 05:45 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 06:46 AM by YinYang.)
    PeacefulWarrior Wrote:This isn't a game of black vs white where white is fated to "win."  It simply isn't.  I'm not sure what I can say to help you understand this, but unity does not mean "unity once all the negatives have gone away."  I can just refer you to what Ra said in his very first session:

    The Creator could only perceive itself by creating the opposite of which it is, so that it is "this" in relation to "that". The first split being infinity/finity. Infinity can't be known without the comparison to finity, and that goes for all the opposites, patience/impatience, hot/cold, acceptance/control etc. It created a relative existence because in an absolute existence it cannot know itself. One thing is known in relation to it's anti-thesis.

    I didn't say all the negatives "go away" or perish or seize to exist. They switch polarity. Unity is the way which is, and separation is the way which is not, and they are unable to progress further to the Creator by staying on the path of separation. So this is indeed a scenario where "white wins", if you wish to put it that way, or rather where that "which is" remains, and that "which is not" falls away.

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    07-29-2016, 06:05 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 06:11 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    Quote:In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary.. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

    If you can honestly read the words "There is no polarity," and still come away believing that unity means the unified embrace of a polarity, there really is little more I can say here. Even Ra said (64.6) "we seek now without polarity." BOTH polarities are ultimately abandoned as distortions on the road to unity. Negative is just abandoned first.

    You are, of course, free to disregard any teachings of Ra which do not resonate with you, but on this matter, I do believe you are simply incorrect.

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    07-29-2016, 07:01 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 07:30 AM by YinYang.)
    Honestly PeacefulWarrior, I think it's quite possible for us to have a philosophical discussion without you becoming condescending.

    Let me help you out. The distortion is not in any way necessary, and yet, we have chosen it. I am well aware that I am all things, that is precisely the foundation of balancing. Both polarities are not abandoned as distortions as you say, the seeker of unity stays on the path which it is on, because it is the path of that which is, and the seeker of separation discards its path in favour of the path of unity, in order to progress to the Creator. Thus, the point where there is an absence of an opposite polarity (negative), results in "seeking without polarity", because there is just one orientation that remains.

    It's also interesting how Ra spent SO MUCH time explaining something which simply does not exist, don't you think? I remind you that we are in the density of choice, a choice which if I follow you correctly simply does not exist, because "in truth, there is no polarity", so what is there to choose between?....  RollEyes

    The entire teaching surrounding the archetypes is based on this choice.... a non-existent choice.

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    07-29-2016, 07:29 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 07:37 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    (07-29-2016, 07:01 AM)YinYang Wrote: Both polarities are not abandoned as distortions as you say, the seeker of unity stays on the path which it is on, because it is the path of that which is, and the seeker of separation discards its path in favour of the path of unity, in order to progress to the Creator. Thus, the point where there is an absence of an opposite polarity (negative), results in "seeking without polarity".

    This is flatly contradictory to what Ra said in the passages I quoted, and in many many others.  I do not believe you will find anywhere in the Ra or Q'uo materials statements from them supporting this interpretation, not without great liberties being taken with their wording.  If Ra had meant "unity is when the negative changes polarity and only positive remains" he would have said so.  But he did not.  He said nothing like that, but instead emphasized the non-existence of polarity and the eventual transcending of it.

    Quote:It's also interesting how Ra spent SO MUCH time to explain something which simply does not exist, don't you think? I remind you that we are in the density of choice, a choice which if I follow you correctly simply does not exist, because "in truth, there is no polarity"....  RollEyes

    You do not roll your eyes at me, you roll your eyes at Ra.   Saying "if I follow you correctly" is just a deflection, when I was directly and clearly quoting him.  Sarcastic questions will not change his teachings.  Polarity only exists insofar as entities choose to embrace distortions that lead them to believe it exists and then act accordingly. Ra even described himself as seeking without polarity.  Roll your eyes at that as well, if you like, but it does not alter what he said. There is absolutely no reason he would have said "without polarity" if -as you posit- that term is synonymous with "positive polarity." He could have simply described himself as positively-seeking, yet he did not.

    As I said, if you choose to disregard his teachings, that's your business.  But when you say things contradictory to what he said, don't be surprised if others take issue.

    Either way, I believe this discussion has reached a point where there will be no more useful progression, so I bid you good day and merely hope that you will reflect on this matter further at your leisure, because I continue to honestly believe you are applying distortions to Ra's words which he did not intend.

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    07-29-2016, 07:37 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 07:43 AM by YinYang.)
    PeacefulWarrior Wrote:This is flatly contradictory to what Ra said in the passages I quoted, and in many many others.  I do not believe you will find anywhere in the Ra or Q'uo materials statements from them supporting this interpretation, not without great liberties being taken with their wording.  If Ra had meant "unity is when the negative goes away and only positive remains" he would have said so.  But he did not.  He said nothing like that, but instead emphasized the non-existence of polarity and the eventual transcending of it.

    Ra Wrote:Questioner: Well then let’s say that when Himmler reaches sixth-density negative, would he realize that his higher self was positively oriented and for that reason make the jump from negative to positive orientation?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth-density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.

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    07-29-2016, 07:42 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 07:46 AM by YinYang.)
    PeacefulWarrior Wrote:You do not roll your eyes at me, you roll your eyes at Ra.

    No PeacefulWarrior, I was attempting to convey how ridiculous this conversation has become.

    Ra Wrote:Saying "if I follow you correctly" is just a deflection, when I was directly and clearly quoting him.  Sarcastic questions will not change his teachings.  Polarity only exists insofar as entities choose to embrace distortions that lead them to believe it exists. Ra even described himself as seeking without polarity.  Roll your eyes at that as well, if you like, but it does not alter what he said. There is absolutely no reason he would have said "without polarity" if -as you posit- that term is synonymous with "positive polarity." He could have simply described himself as positively-seeking, yet he did not.

    As I said, if you choose to disregard his teachings, that's your business.  But when you say things contradictory to what he said, don't be surprised if others take issue.

    Either way, I believe this discussion has reached a point where there will be no more useful progression, so I bid you good day and merely hope that you will reflect on this matter further at your leisure, because I continue to honestly believe you are applying distortions to Ra's words which he did not intend.

    Let me try again. Without polarity means the absence of two poles... but I think it's a good idea to drop this, because your understanding and my understanding are poles apart (pun intended).

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    07-29-2016, 08:00 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 08:04 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    I never denied that abandoning negativity is PART of the process, which is all the quote you provided speaks to. I merely was hoping you would see that abandoning positive polarity is the NEXT part of the process. You have been steadfastly ignoring -and even acting sarcastic towards- a great many quotes from Ra which all say quite unambiguously that polarity does not exist, and that it is transcended later in 6D evolution. Once again, if Ra had meant that he seeks "only with positive polarity," he would have simply said so. But he did not, and instead very specifically said he seeks WITHOUT polarity.

    Also, that he said "this is incorrect" in response to the query you quoted would seem to encompass the presumption that the late-6D oversoul is positive.

    After all, if you reread the Session you pulled that quote from, you might notice that at no point does Ra ever concretely describe the Higher-Self/Oversoul as being positive in nature. Any suggestions that the oversoul is inherently positive come only from the questioners, and not from Ra. In fact, he says (36.12) "any guidance given by the higher self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex."

    Does that honestly not suggest to you that late 6.5D+ entities are truly without polarity, if their guidance can be equally seen as both positive or negative?

    There is a third choice here, one which moves beyond the binary of two poles as an either\or choice. As long as you only see two poles, that is where the error in your thinking will lie. Again, I can only encourage you to reread Ra's materials with an open mind, and perhaps you will see that you are protecting ideas of positivity onto statements where positivity was not stated by Ra.

    And if you think this is all ridiculous, that's your choice as well. But I would point out, such a dismissive attitude -especially towards one of the most fundamental bits of Ra's teachings- is more than a little defensive. Mockery and sarcasm are forms of passive aggression. Unfortunately, it also seems that the level of negativity in this conversation is increasing, and that was very much not my intention.

    So I apologize for that.

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    07-29-2016, 08:31 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 08:38 AM by YinYang.)
    You have been denying all along that the negative polarity is abandoned, you kept saying that the two is somehow balanced in some fashion, "white doesn't win" etc. etc I am not ignoring that at Ra's level of evolution, they no longer have an opposite polarity to contend with, I am simply trying to inject some sanity into this conversation when I point out to you that at our current level of evolution, there is polarity, hence, the choice.

    And you are reading Ra's response incorrectly, when they say "this is incorrect" they are ascribing the incorrectness to Don's notion that there might be a surprise element on the part of the negative entity upon discovering that its higher self is positive when it reaches 6th density, not incorrect with regard to the higher self being positive.

    The very reason that Don thought there might be a surprise element, is because the higher self is positive. That is when Ra explained that the negative path is the path of separation, so the negative entity separates itself from its positive higher self. Ra has definitely stated unequivocally that the higher self is positive. From mid 6th density onwards only the positive polarity remains, where the higher self manifestation resides.

    PeacefulWarrior Wrote:There is a third choice here, one which moves beyond the binary of two poles as an either\or choice. As long as you only see two poles, that is where the error in your thinking will lie. Again, I can only encourage you to reread Ra's materials with an open mind, and perhaps you will see that you are protecting ideas of positivity onto statements where positivity was not stated by Ra.

    No PeacefulWarrior, I find it amusing that you are in error, while insisting that I am in error. The Ra material cannot be more clear about the fact that this is a creation of unity, and thus the path of unity is the correct path, which is maintained, and the path of separation is abandoned in 6D, since it's a dead end.

    You are also misunderstanding that I think this is all ridiculous. The only thing I find ridiculous is your standpoint which you won't let go of in the face of evidence to the contrary. It's easy to admit when you have been mistaken about something, I did it earlier in this thread when Minya corrected me, you should try it sometime.

    I'm also at a loss for words at your accusation of a dismissive attitude supposedly aimed at Ra's teaching. The only thing I'm dismissing is your erroneous understanding of the material.

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    07-29-2016, 08:57 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 09:41 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    Quote:You have been denying all along that the negative polarity is abandoned

    OK, you're now mis-quoting me and basically turning me into a strawman. I specifically said higher up: "BOTH polarities are ultimately abandoned as distortions on the road to unity. Negative is just abandoned first." You even referenced me saying that both are abandoned, so I know you read it.

    I quote Ra directly, you call it ridiculous, and then blame me for taking his words at face value when he says "There is no polarity." Those four words are so clear and simple, but you're implying it's insane to believe they mean exactly what they say. But I've said my piece here, and your attitude is becoming increasingly hostile as this goes on. Again, I'm sorry for any part I may have had for bringing negativity into this discussion. I've been trying to disengage amicably, but every time I try, you seem to escalate. Talking about "injecting some sanity" into the discussion is pure self-aggrandizement, and at my expense.

    So I'll just say goodbye to this discussion and leave the outcomes in the hands of the Creator.

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    07-29-2016, 09:22 AM
    (07-28-2016, 03:04 PM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (07-28-2016, 02:49 PM)hobbvin82 Wrote: The concept of "separation" is not a term that I understand as I know that all is one. There is absolutely no way to be separate from anything. Regardless of whether you perceive my question to be focused on separation or not.

    While I get this perspective, it does not change that we experience separation in many ways or dimensions within the illusions that create this experience of our united self.

    Polarity springs forth through separation only, both polarities.

    From what I understand, any type of separation perceived is part of the 3D illusion that we experience now. If all is one, all existing at the same time, now then how can there be separation?

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    07-29-2016, 09:29 AM
    I'm not "turning you into a strawman", when I'm simply pointing out to you that you are changing positions, and denying your earlier position. In fact, I find your continuous hammering on the notion that I'm dismissing Ra's words amusing, when I have merely pointed out that late 6D conditions (no polarity) doesn't apply to us at our current level of evolution, hence, the very foundation of the teachings of the archetypes is based on polarity and the choice (a 3D teaching tool).

    But I can see we're not going to reach a mutual understanding, so it's best to let it rest.

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    07-29-2016, 11:24 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 11:31 AM by Minyatur.)
    (07-29-2016, 09:22 AM)hobbvin82 Wrote:
    (07-28-2016, 03:04 PM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (07-28-2016, 02:49 PM)hobbvin82 Wrote: The concept of "separation" is not a term that I understand as I know that all is one. There is absolutely no way to be separate from anything. Regardless of whether you perceive my question to be focused on separation or not.

    While I get this perspective, it does not change that we experience separation in many ways or dimensions within the illusions that create this experience of our united self.

    Polarity springs forth through separation only, both polarities.

    From what I understand, any type of separation perceived is part of the 3D illusion that we experience now. If all is one, all existing at the same time, now then how can there be separation?

    I don't deny unity but just the principle of self among others denotes a form of desired illusionary separation to be experienced.

    Ra is not within 3D yet Ra speaks as Ra, as a set of things being their own. The empathic separation we experience in 3D, just as separation between mind, body and spirit are to me dimensions of separation while separation has infinite dimensions. This Octave is one among infinite others, yet is separated as an island (Ra's term).

    So there is many kinds of illusions of separation, and we make choices to further project separation or unity on those. Transcendently, separation ever is an integral part of unity and the polarity we experience relates to how we feel in regard to our experience of the illusionary separation between self and other-selves.

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    07-29-2016, 11:31 AM (This post was last modified: 07-29-2016, 11:41 AM by ScottK.)
    (07-28-2016, 05:37 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: And yet in the very same session, Ra ultimately says that direct battles cease above 4th Density specifically because all entities 5D+ have become wise enough to realize such battles are futile wastes of energy.

    It really is just as arbitrary as Blue vs Orange in video games like Team Fortress.  All victories are transitory.  All energetic exertions are nullified.  Victory.  Loss.  Victory.  Loss.  Fight one battle, regroup, fight another, regroup, and repeat ad nauseum until everyone's sick of it and moves onto the next game.  But, of course, if one chooses to be part of such games, and finds them fulfilling, that's their business and part of their own developmental path. 

    This is where you've always missed the point, IMO.

    I would argue that this wisdom gained in the 5th density is predominantly for entities in 5th density negative to acquire, through my life experience.

    The way a STO entity gains power in third density is through the love of others and working with others as equals.  When that happens, others naturally gravitate towards that entity and a very positive situation is created where people work together in truth and with light emotions.  Creation takes place very easily then.

    An STS entity takes note of the situation.  An STS entity is interested in power and they note the power that has been created by such an individual, and they covet that power and are jealous of that power.  However, STS model for gaining power is not through cooperation - rather, it's about building a set of minions who are envious of the STS entity's power.  The STS model would be about attacking the STO person and then picking up their power or at least destroying their power.

    The true STO person really wants no part of the STS person's business, but the STS person wants to go after the STO person in some way.

    But the issue is without the STS person literally destroying the STO person, the STS person will virtually always lose.  STO power is WAAAAY stronger.

    In 5th density, the negative entity is probably tired of getting their a$$ kicked, and will let their minions do the fighting.  Their minions are their chess pieces, so they don't mind if their minions are destroyed.  They'll just get new minions.

    For the STO entity, the STS entity represents a threat to their 3d existence, so for one who wishes to do powerfully good works, it is important to understand polarity. Funny how all the good guys seem to get assasinated..

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    08-20-2016, 01:40 AM
    (07-28-2016, 12:31 PM)Reaper Wrote: While she called herself a mystical Christian, Carla went to a Catholic church and was, as far as I can tell, quite devout. Slapping the STS label on any person or organization is never wise in my opinion, unless they are professing to be so themselves.

    Well, to be fair, the lower-level members of STS orgs rarely know that they're in STS orgs.

    The Catholic Church is very STS in the sense of using its occult technology to control people and keeping spiritual knowledge from the masses. And there are hidden organizations within the Church involving gay priest orgies and devil worship (which definitely don't have official approval, because while the Catholic Church takes a strong stance against fun sin).

    I don't know anything about the so-called Orion group, or anything else related to ETs, though, and not all STS are Orion.

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    08-20-2016, 06:03 AM
    (07-29-2016, 11:31 AM)ScottK Wrote: But the issue is without the STS person literally destroying the STO person, the STS person will virtually always lose.  STO power is WAAAAY stronger.

    This, along with countless other of your commentaries, is simply wrong.
    Have you actually read the LOO in its entirety?

    Quote:Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

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    08-20-2016, 01:30 PM
    (07-28-2016, 11:12 AM)hobbvin82 Wrote: I am very intrigued by the current Pope as he seems to display some characteristics of a STO entity, but his very role in the Catholic church points to him being STS.

    My Mother mentioned to me recently that her Pastor preached about the Pope being told by God to revise, or rewrite the Ten Commandments.
    Those who have read the Ra Material understand that these so called commandments were give to Moses by a member of the Orion group, making them inherently negative.

    Could the Pope be receiving communication from Orion, all the while believing it to be from God?
    Or, does he know the information he is receiving is from Orion?
    Or, is he just making all of this up?

    So, is he being manipulated, or is he the manipulator?

    I am not Catholic, or follow any Religion for that matter. I am just curious.

    Here is the link my Mother mentioned.

    http://realnewsrightnow.com/2015/07/pope...mandments/

    francis is trying to make a one world religion, as he was instructed by the cabal(world bankers military industrial complexes) who are controlled by the orion empire.

    [url=http://humansarefree.com/2016/05/its-time-for-pope-francis-to-confess.html][/url]
    http://humansarefree.com/2016/05/its-tim...nfess.html


    He was placed in power by the Jesuits. the Jesuits are one of the cabal factions. 



    the comments are really mean and i think maybe some people are just not ready to hear what he has to say.. but a lot of stuff is coming out now in the news that proves what he has to say.. so really I always encourage people to come to their own conclusions. 

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    08-20-2016, 02:20 PM
    That news link is satire, in case anybody hasn't figured that out. Pope Francis would lose all public support from Christians if he tried to change the ten commandments, and nobody in the cabal is trying to ban GMOs.

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