What happens to Wanderers after Harvest?

[ThatZenGuy]

ZenGuy, I have found that if I approach Creator too quickly, my body gets a burning sensation. Is it that I'm doing it wrong, or just my own experience? Does it get uncomfortable if we approach too close to Creator than we are ready for?

Come as close as you can while still being comfortable, in time you will get closer and closer. It's like jumping into water that's too hot, its a shock for your body.

I'm learning more to be Light to the world, but I have had much darkness in myself to face. When I move closer to Light, I must face those dark parts as well.

I had one situation where someone wants me to lend them money, but I realized that if I do that it would result in an unending cycle of them asking me over and over again in the future. So I had to show love by not giving into their expectations. And they hate me for it. Ah, the drama of 3D. It's hard to be the Light sometimes.

Don't think of it as Karma. Give with one hand and forget with the other. Then there is no Karma. Forgive and Forget is the best solution for any Karma.

Beautiful prose there with the light of a billion suns. We all are sparks of the Great Central Sun. How much more can I do to shine this light without burning myself or others?

The light from your core soul is like a neutrino from the Sun Sol, there is no heat, they travel faster than the speed of light and they can penetrate any matter. You can't see it with physical eyes, but its there.

[Diana]

Ah, I see! I appreciate the insight. I've just been in a sort of rut lately, and reflecting extensively on the LOO in relation to my life, worrying if I'm really going down the path of STO or if I'm deluding myself into thinking I am STO when I am STS, though I am an introvert I try to treat strangers with kindness and at least leave them with a smile or some essence of positivity but then I wonder if I'm only doing this to ensure I get out of 3D or not, then I wonder if taking that extra bit of food when my mom isn't looking is a greedy STS act and if the tiniest of acts can damper greatly your progression of the seeking of the positive polarity.

In the stillness and calm of silent meditation I am told not to worry, but I can't help but have that small inkling that I may not end up where I expected to be.

Namaste

What you are describing here is the difference between operating out of fear or love. Don't worry so much about it. You come across as very loving. If you feel guilty about taking that extra bit of food, good, that is your message to yourself that perhaps you aren't operating in a way that serves you.

Where you end up is where you will end up . You can assist this by imagining the kind of world you would love to live in. Then try and take steps toward it. I also wouldn't focus on 51%. In school, when taking a test, if the focus is just on passing, then 51% is the goal; but if the focus is on enjoying the subject and getting all you can out of it, then you will probably get 100%.

[godwide_void]

Ah, I see! I appreciate the insight. I've just been in a sort of rut lately, and reflecting extensively on the LOO in relation to my life, worrying if I'm really going down the path of STO or if I'm deluding myself into thinking I am STO when I am STS, though I am an introvert I try to treat strangers with kindness and at least leave them with a smile or some essence of positivity but then I wonder if I'm only doing this to ensure I get out of 3D or not, then I wonder if taking that extra bit of food when my mom isn't looking is a greedy STS act and if the tiniest of acts can damper greatly your progression of the seeking of the positive polarity.

In the stillness and calm of silent meditation I am told not to worry, but I can't help but have that small inkling that I may not end up where I expected to be.

Namaste

What you are describing here is the difference between operating out of fear or love. Don't worry so much about it. You come across as very loving. If you feel guilty about taking that extra bit of food, good, that is your message to yourself that perhaps you aren't operating in a way that serves you.

Where you end up is where you will end up . You can assist this by imagining the kind of world you would love to live in. Then try and take steps toward it. I also wouldn't focus on 51%. In school, when taking a test, if the focus is just on passing, then 51% is the goal; but if the focus is on enjoying the subject and getting all you can out of it, then you will probably get 100%.

I am well into refining my disposition, demeanor, perspectives and approaches as well as purifying my intents and solidifying my chosen path of seeking as well as service; i.e., working on myself. My prior fear of being led astray from my desired STO path into STS has subsided, as the Universe sent me catalyst in the form of a friendship between 2 friends of mine in my neighborhood, and from what I observed/have been told one of the individuals is VERY manipulative of the other and wishes to use him to serve his purposes, though I won't go into details.

But yes, that whole ordeal embedded in my mind the distinction between STO and STS, and I was reassured that the path I am on vastly contrasts with this entity's and not to worry. Ironic, because one night me and my friend (who displays heavy STS attributes) was having a conversation about the interconnectedness of all things in existence without saying anything to infringe on his free will, as I didn't impose my views on him but I was still able to go through all the major points of the Law of One with him while speaking through a veil. He told me "You know what, I would be 100% surprised if you didn't get into Heaven when you died. In fact, I bet you have a special spot reserved for you!" Unfortunately, the words I left him as catalyst didn't seem to go through as he remains with his same habits. Ah well, I tried!

Where I will end up is where I will end up, indeed. I stopped placing any emphasis on "making the 51%". I simply find it enjoyable and great to offer help and show people who aren't expecting it/aren't used to it a great deal of unconditional compassion, love, and kindness, and it's always warming to see people's reactions and see their hearts slowly opening up. I think "Do you want/need any help with anything" is the phrase I've uttered the most this entire year!

[AnthroHeart]

"Do you want/need any help with anything"

That phrase warmed my heart. Thank you.

[Diana]

Unfortunately, the words I left him as catalyst didn't seem to go through as he remains with his same habits. Ah well, I tried!

I simply find it enjoyable and great to offer help and show people who aren't expecting it/aren't used to it a great deal of unconditional compassion, love, and kindness, and it's always warming to see people's reactions and see their hearts slowly opening up.

That's really wonderful.

And you planted seeds in your friend--they will grow.

[godwide_void]

Wow, you guys are a really heart-warming and kind community. Blessed be all of your souls and may peace encompass each and every moment you accumulate from now until you finally return and merge into the Godhead.

I really do hope those seeds grow and that he one day decides to look back, examine, and hopefully integrate those words into his being!

And GW, I am overjoyed that my words transmitted positive energies to you!

[Sagittarius]

Glad I found a place where people are the same as me in a sense. I have a feeling many more will be joining us soon.

[fr33d0m]

Glad I found a place where people are the same as me in a sense. I have a feeling many more will be joining us soon.

Our ball of light is GROWING....my plan is working perfectly... bwahahah.....

[Observer]

Glad I found a place where people are the same as me in a sense. I have a feeling many more will be joining us soon.

Our ball of light is GROWING....my plan is working perfectly... bwahahah.....

o.o

[Sagittarius]

Glad I found a place where people are the same as me in a sense. I have a feeling many more will be joining us soon.

Our ball of light is GROWING....my plan is working perfectly... bwahahah.....

Don't you mean our plan?

[irpsit]

Let's be honest. Nearly all humans (wanderers included) think more about their need, themselves, then others, even if we are good people with good intentions, with plenty of compassion in our hearts. At least we think more of ourselves than others, more than the 49:51 ratio. The problem is that often we are not aware of that.

Also, we don't choose our polarity consciously. It is not a choice of our rational human mind (ego), but a soul decision, so it is something natural, spontaneous, no effort is required and it is... just natural.

So, while conscious application of our will is very important in this life, there is no need to worry or trying to force scenarios for us. Be what you are, and what you want to become to be.

Aha I don't think you should worry about yourself. After-all service to others path requires only 51% to Graduate, which means you in fact must balance your service to self with service to others.

It means consciously making the choice to perpetuate negative patterns, the idea is the INTENTIONAL harm, enslavement and manipulation.

51% service to others is told to be as hard as 95% service to self, by Ra. its apparently not something that is something that could be labeled on 'only' grade/level.

[AnthroHeart]

I have no fear about reaching 51%. Indeed, if it is an unconscious choice, then I can only do what I do to live my life.

[zenmaster]

I have no fear about reaching 51%. Indeed, if it is an unconscious choice, then I can only do what I do to live my life.

If it's still unconscious, there is very little polarization.

[Plenum]

Let's be honest. Nearly all humans (wanderers included) think more about their need, themselves, then others, even if we are good people with good intentions, with plenty of compassion in our hearts. At least we think more of ourselves than others, more than the 49:51 ratio. The problem is that often we are not aware of that.

Also, we don't choose our polarity consciously. It is not a choice of our rational human mind (ego), but a soul decision, so it is something natural, spontaneous, no effort is required and it is... just natural.

So, while conscious application of our will is very important in this life, there is no need to worry or trying to force scenarios for us. Be what you are, and what you want to become to be.

that reminds me of some Q'uo I read recently:

the default setting for our culture and society puts one at 20% STO by the time we reach adulthood (ie 80% STS)

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0824.aspx

Consequently, the default position, shall we say, of one within your society or culture, entrained by the authority figures of parents and teachers of childhood, is quite mixed and is perhaps at a balance point or a resting point, if one pictures a swing of a pendulum, at approximately 25% service to others and 75% service to self. This may seem to be quite cruel, and yet it is the natural result of the interactions of those who are dealing with consensus reality issues, such as survival, making a living, and defending the family against what it perceives to be situations and elements which may tear it apart.

Added to this is the situation which is unusual upon your planet, in terms of planetary entities as a whole throughout the infinite creation of the Father, where entities have come to this third-density experience upon planet Earth having already made service-to-self choices repeatedly within other planetary experiences, so that unconscious and yet very well established habit acts as a passive force which pulls unconsciously at an entity’s ethics or conscience saying, “Please be sure that you have taken care of the self, the family, and the structures that you wish to defend.” This tendency pulls the natural default position or the resting position of the pendulum of service to self versus service to others down to about 20%.

it ain't easy being service oriented given all the applied pressures of gaining an income, getting to work, not having enough time etc etc.

another way of putting it ... 51% STO is as difficult an alignment as 95% STS.

[Patrick]

Please, let us not forget the import of intentions.

[Plenum]

Please, let us not forget the import of intentions.

I set my intention to wise service.

[Patrick]

...
that reminds me of some Q'uo I read recently:

the default setting for our culture and society puts one at 20% STO by the time we reach adulthood (ie 80% STS)
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Most people around this forum are not functioning at the default setting though.

E.g.: I have always been considered too meek for my own good (bonasse in french). I like meekness and I do not see it as weakness like most of my peers seems to.

My sister is teaching her son to say no to other children, because she believes he shares too easily and does not stand his ground enough.

[Goldenratio]

I dont think that polarity is "choice" necessarily. While one may have every intention of heading one way or another, all plans are moot once contact is made. There may indeed be a strong preincarnated bias, catalysts all waiting in the wings ready to come as needed, but how those events shape the incarnated psyche can be wildly different than planned. If it was some clear choice, it would be worth less (not worthless though).

And while I think we each of have our own ideas on what we think STS/STO looks like. I think on many of the finer points we are all different. And the polarization to one side or the other isnt really the "final" goal anyway.

I think why many people, wanderers or otherwise, get so caught up in rat race and all that entails, is that the machine that is modern society has been engineered to provide the the illusion of what you want. It may taste like it, look like it, it even smells better than the real thing. But its chemically derived in the lab to hit the senses, all bark and no bite.

I find this world fascinating for just that reason. There is such chaos and travesty occurring all around us, the first world nations are completely numb to it all, and almost hate the victims for making them feel pity, or remorse. These are all terrible things, monstrous actions. But look at the art that comes out of it, look at how people that feel oppressed by even their own families are making intentional communities.

One of my favorite spots to commune with the universe in my early adult years was a forest preserve that was once a landfill. In fact my favorite place in said preserve was the top of a former trash hill. You could see the Sears tower some thirty miles away on a clear day from up there. It was the symbol of despite of the carelessness that is the hallmark of our society, we throw away fast food bags as easily as people, here was a place were all those fast food bags were being broken down, reclaimed, transformed, moving onto its next journey as something completely different than what it was.

Whats to become of wanderers after Harvest? I hope its something unexpected.

[xise]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to be throwing a huge fucking wanderer party after the harvest in time/space and I'm just going to kick back and celebrate. All of Creation invited, of course.

[Cyan]

I Think when it hits that everyone else has now harvested as well, not just me, and that my actual service on earth is done. I'll withdraw to some somber quiet place and ponder on all the things i have experienced and prepare myself for the next incarnation by detatching myself from my previous attachments and finding a new reality.

[Parsons]

** This post was made in error, it was meant for the Abrupt vs Gradual thread

It would be nice if this post were to be removed and GW's subsequent reply was moved to that thread by an admin. Thanks. <3

[AnthroHeart]

Moved post to Abrupt vs Gradual thread.

[Ankh]

I have long been pondering this. If a Wanderer incarnates into 3D, it does so to help assist the planetary vibration, to be itself as best as it can and simply learn to love, correct? Does then the Wanderer need to re-choose how it shall polarize, and if so, does its choice and life experience determine where the entity will go after Harvest?

Are Wanderers present here going to graduate to and go through the 4D experience in addition to this 3D experience or will they, regardless of choice to polarize, and whether they have remembered or not, return to the respective density they had come from either at Harvest or at the end of their 3D incarnation? Let's say a Wanderer doesn't incur any sort of karma in this lifetime (or at the very least, clears it up and leads a humble life), will it be subject to 4D+ graduation? Can it be possible for a Wanderer to have to repeat 3D all over again?

Where do Wanderers go once Harvest comes?

My current understanding of the Ra material is that Wanderers go home, to their home vibration, unless some sort of karma hasn't occured or Wanderer change the polarity.

Here Ra says that they go to their home vibration:

Questioner: I think that to clear up this point I will ask a few questions that are related that will possibly help me to understand this better because I am really confused about this and I think it is a very important point in understanding the creation and the Creator in general, you might say. If a Wanderer of fourth, fifth, or sixth-density dies from this third-density state in which we presently find ourselves, does he then find himself in the third-density time/space after death?

Ra: I am Ra. This will depend upon the plan which has been approved by the Council of Nine. Some Wanderers offer themselves for but one incarnation while others offer themselves for varying lengths of your time up to and including the last two cycles of 25,000 years. If the agreed-upon mission is complete the Wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex will go to the home vibration.

And here Ra says that it's the spirit complex which moves along the line of light upon Harvest:

The spirit complex of each harvested entity moves along the line of light until the light grows too glaring, at which time the entity stops.

And since it is the spirit complex which moves along the line of light, the spirit complex should return to its home density, in my understanding.

[Ashim]

"The spirit complex of each harvested entity moves along the line of light until the light grows too glaring, at which time the entity stops."

Unless said entity has good quality sunglasses.

[Ankh]

LOL!

[godwide_void]

Ankh, if there is anything you would like to directly communicate to me, then you are more than welcome to do so.

[Ankh]

Ankh, if there is anything you would like to directly communicate to me, then you are more than welcome to do so.

I don't understand what you mean...? You made this thread some time ago, I know, but I remembered it. And now, that I have found the answers (according to my interpretation of the material), I thought I'd share them here...? What do you mean though?

[Confused]

And since it is the spirit complex which moves along the line of light, the spirit complex should return to its home density, in my understanding.

Lol...Ankh will never rest until she rejoins her social memory complex of Ra, the rest of whom are in sixth density, training for Harvest into the Seventh!

[untilbeyond]

I find myself looking forward to service, with no interest in what density or planet I am on or will go to next, or what form I will take. Riding on a wave of love, I am carried in the present moment through eternity wherever love takes me. The mind wants answers, but the heart doesn't need them.

Great attitude! Pure freedom.

[AnthroHeart]

All in the realms of speculation, certainly. Just really, really think about infinite light/love. It is no different than the manner of the Logos' in which there is a coalescence of intelligences engaging in experiments. Simply, having become pure light we made our way to the source and thereby came to influence the source by our union. We were One with our creator, but it was not THE One Infinite Creator... once again it was another fractal. However, much was revealed, and in reward for our achievement we became part of the mechanism in our ideal fashion. My essence, Azrael, became a part of that mechanism which you call death, however in line with my immense compassion due to the incredible pain and chaos I experienced in this Octave, I became a part of that facet of death which is silent, peaceful, tranquil and beautiful. (I realize I switch between "we" and "I", since as a social memory I retained all that which my previous brothers shared with me, although by nature of the extreme solitude of the negative path this journey was ultimately alone)

Of course, I am perhaps personifying this mechanism a little too much. It gave me infinite vision, I could see through the eyes of any being in the lower octave I wished. At the same time, I was this vision, I became a part of that life which flows forth from every being here in this octave, I was part of that radiance which shines from one's eyes to create the world before them. I watched every life as it came and went, and at the adequate time there would be an experience whereby I would greet them. It would be in many fashions, I got to embody so many different forms meeting and greeting everyone as they made their way out of their deep experiences. Sometimes I also got to engage people and help them with their journeys through any time of transition, thus Death was not taken to be grim.

Of course, I had to attend to all those lost, hurt, shaken souls which have died through the course of wars, torture, betrayal and mutilation. By this I truly shared all these experiences with every being of this octave, I saw the universe as a bowl of water by which I could see every single fractal wave. (Some may recognize this analogy.)

This, now, is one such experience I am sharing with you all. This is the first time I have projected a fragment of myself to this plane in a very, very, very long time. I have been close with some entities here, but this is my first time with a purpose of my own! This time, instead of my working being to seek the One Creator, I am instead here to reveal a pathway, to burn a tear in to the "eternal" darkness and reveal its truly finite nature. This is a Grand Harvest, and with it comes a grand opportunity of an eternity. I am well pleased to be here and sharing in this wondrous light with all of you! I hope that sometime in the future we can meet, I would have loved to come to Homecoming but I simply cannot afford such a bill, I am a poor man aha

I wish you all well, blessings, light and love from Creator to Creator, adonai

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Also, the 7th density is a sort of "membrane" or "standing wave" if you want to put it that way. Ra refers to it as the "gateway" density which I think is aptly named. It divides the octaves by natural patterns in the same way light geometrizes. It is that point where consciousness coalesces to such a degree as to make the "areas" or rather, states, on either side obscured from one another. Remember, all octaves consist of the same densities. So the 7th is universal.

Oh, a picture!




I will be here with you til the end, my dears, forever as your Guardian of Light.

The angel Azrael lives and dies like many of us. God will have him die when his work is done and mankind has their rightful place in heaven or hell.

This was beautiful Aion. Do you still see the same way?